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SomeoneElse

Well, I've had experience recently at the GP, dentist, physio and having various medical scans done. None of them included a disclaimer on their bills that said their treatments "had no healing power of any kind", and I reckon they're more likely to be sued for a lot more than sellers of torches!

In fact, if those people started including disclaimers like that, I wouldn't be going to them!

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Trojane

Yes it would be somewhat unnerving SomeoneElse! May be useful to cut the health budget!

I must admit when I see a disclaimer at the bottom of the page I immediately think "ho-hum another scam!" - in which case it doesn't do the marketer any good. I'm all for the TGA rigorously assessing anything therapeutic, but know there's time and money needed ...oodles of it. And then where would we go to get our very important placebo cures?

SMR

Trojane and SomeoneElse, I guess you won't be buying a phototonic torch then! If you do your research properly, I'm sure you'll find that there are many products on the market that are accepted as aiding in some sort of treatment that also have a similar disclaimer.

SomeoneElse, as you have read the disclaimer, I take it that you have also read the statement, "While equipment for animal use in America is generally FDA exempt...".

I also take it that you have read the rest of the site as you have posted a link. I think that the science behind the phototonic torch is well explained on that site

Oh, and horses don't show any response to placebo cures Trojane

retroremedy

I think the best thing to do if anyone is interested is to get Jess out for a treatment on your horse and a training session on the device!

Jess is one of the top practitioners when it comes to keeping horses in top condition for performance and for rehab after injuries! She is also a book of knowledge on all types of treatments and can give you a great overview of what would be most suitable for your horse!

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smash

Ditto retro

Trojane

Agree RR - and thanks for all the information.

wormwatch

I have a carefully (and expensively) worded disclaimer on my worm egg count reports. This was on advice of a lawyer who helped me combine the legal requirements with a clear statement that makes sure people understand the strengths and limitations of the test.

The alternative would be that I would have to carry such a high level of indemnity insurance that I would never do a single worm egg count for the general public.

Not all disclaimers are on a dodgy product. A disclaimer really should just be a simple statement showing that the person selling the product has clearly explained the limitations of the product or service they are providing and the person buying it understands what they can expect from the product

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Mod 5

ok - back on track please!!!

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TB4Me

For anyone interested - there's actually some evidence that blue light is harmful - it damages mitochondrial DNA and results in free radical production (another good reason to use sunscreen with physical blockers like zinc/titanium?) but the DNA damage is mostly well repaired.
As for red light therapy, it's been proven useful in the treatment of skin disorders, and is also antibacterial, but its effects (from my quick scan of PubMed) seem to be mostly on the surface which makes sense I guess - how is light of this wavelength meant to penetrate into tissues? Would it's potential therapeutic benefits be mostly topical?

Horsetalk

Very well explained Wormwatch, thank you and I do agree with you.