STOCKYARD
HORSE  DISCUSSION FORUMS

Rainmaker

Hmm I am a bit selective who I trail ride out with now! ha some people are not good to trail ride with and I have found trail riding can sometimes cause more problems for your and your horse (if you have a highly strung TB like me! haha). Mine has never reared on me (thank god!) but does get awafully frusterated if the horse/s in front have a much faster pace and he cannot keep up! he will jiga job on the spot and work him self up into such a lather (and I do not have a hot seat!) I have found no ways to overcome this other than simply being selective who I ride with as it is no good for him to get such a state (he is perfect by himself or with another considerate horse and rider who will slow down and wait for him when he is far behind, either that or he will go in front or we will stay side by side)! So sorry to be a kill joy ha but maybe until you feel you have the prob under control, do not ride with others that will not be considerate of your horses needs. Maybe ask if you can be in front and just go for more relaxing and casual walks/trots and see if that helps things (or go out with an older and experienced horse & rider and have them next to you rather than in front), give him a bit more of a rein (still have contact tho in case you need it) and keep pushing him forward. If you carry on letting people take off in front of you could end up in a sticky situation. Hope you sort it out!

Trojane

I know "get rid of" sounds harsh but I speak as a mother who would not care to have her child squished, even if the horse was much loved. The fact she has fallen over once and still persists in rearing looks bad. "Where to" is problematic. Not to another child or unsuspecting person obviously. Ideally an experienced horseperson who is up for the risks. There could be other environments that may suit the horse better, but tricky situations are going to crop up. When the horse has returned from a trainer, who knows she'll be "cured"? I have seen horses behave for the trainer but not for the owner - after spending heaps!!!

WildandFree

abby is not going anywhere i will help eb as i aggist with her and i can not fault there love and understanding

Most horses and owners go thro this challange this hurdle this testing of whims and they get thro it somrtimes it becomes to much and thats when the answer of selling or just letting then out to pasture lie but at this time thats plan z with abby

i went thro with it with my boy of bucking and shying and being a right down fugly but due to love and understand of working with him to help it i have solved it it may crop up every now and again but i know how to deal with it coz i learnt to and it helps me become a better rider

getting rid of her is like say oh your kid throw temper tantys best sell her on you can't handle her

its best bitten in the bud which eb is trying to do and she knows anytime she wants she can ride my boy to regain her conferdence

i will stand by eb and will see this get better and we can show those people who think selling is the answer when in the end its the cowards way out we only giving it away not fixing it

i understand as a mother you want to protect your children i understand as a mother you don't want your children not to get hurt

but then how will they learn how will they grow up how will they florish which out these hurdles which out these challages life horses throw at them it will help them become better people and help them in life it will toughen them up it make them more aware and alert

life is not being wrapped in cotten wool it about embracing life and learning from it

eb will get someone out we will look into everything and we WILL find the ANSWER

WnF

__________________
There are only two emotions that belong in the saddle, one is a sense of humor, and the other is patience if you got neither that day don't ride walk

BeccaBoo

Very well said W&F

__________________

Merrylegs

I completely understand your viewpoint, Trojane. However coming from an organisation that has dealt with many horses that are in a simular position - that have developed a habit through a rider's inexperience or pain or at the hands of cruelty and any number of reasons you CAN'T just say 'get rid of her' and it be done as easily as that.

The responsible thing would be to send her to a reputable and experienced trainer to correct the issue before selling the horse to a more experienced rider. 'Getting rid of her' as she is will do nothing for this horse but organise a one-way ticket to the slaughterhouse. If you need to get rid of a horse because it is not suitable due to this type of situation, then send it to an experienced trainer first and wear the cost! Otherwise the horse's death is on your hands as you were the owner (whether the horse developed the habit with you or not) and you were responsible for the horse the minute you purchased it whether you like it or not.

__________________
Second Chance Horse Rescue Inc; www.schrar.org
SC Gift Sponsorships! Ideal gifts for that special animal lover in your life.

saltriver

Rearing is due to three things - 1. rider inexperience of confining a horse
2. Lack of forward
3. not getting down to your horses feet - or misunderstanding with communication between rider and horse.(your feel and timing are out)

I agree if you are not experienced enough to deal with situation find some one who can look at it from the horses point of view then you spend a week with the trainer learning how your horse communicates with you .


:: Salt River Performance Horses ::

__________________
Salt River Performance Horses specialists in everything Equine,Providing expertise in Horse and Human Behaviour

KC Quarter Horses

Reading back on your post Ebza, it seems some of what your horse is doing is an emotional response. Also when you are a bit uptight ..... which is probably what is happening when she gets a bit emotional, you probably shorten the reins & hang on tighter ......which would actually stress your horse more.

As Saltriver mentioned .....maybe your feel & timing are out, however there are very few people, if any who have a natural sense of feel & timing .....it is learn't over time & with practise & it is not learn't in one lesson.

Steve Brady once said to me, if I could teach F & T in one lesson I would be out of a job

You can practise your co -ordination for manouvers on the ground. So if you were going to bend your horse into a one rein stop position, you can practise this on the ground, with out your horse. Then practise it on your horse at stand still. Practise bending her head & then appling leg to move the HQ. Take the leg off but maintain the bend & when the feet stop moving & she is relaxed, release the bend. Do it both sides & do it in an arena at halt & walk.

This way she & you will have learn't the manouver before ever needing to try it when out.

When you are trail riding, find her position of comfort.....ie at the front. Then ask her to ride beside another horse for a while & then move her back into her position of comfort (POC) again ....so she relaxes. Put the pressure on a little bit at a time & try & relax.....talking, whistling or singing is good .....can't do that & not breath LOL. If you increase the pressure slowly & put her back to her POC, she will adjust to new things better & soon accept it. Then you try something else .....make her walk behind etc.
One step at a time & give her time to think & relax between each step.
If you can have a couple of lessons with someone to make sure you are doing it right, it would be good.

Karen Nicoletto is in Perth & very good with young horse training. I am sure she could point you in the right direction. Make sure your position is good, you are putting your rein in the right spot, you are disengaging the HQ correctly & will tell you the right time to move her forward.

This way you can learn feel & timing It will also be a cheaper option then sending her to a trainer for some weeks & then having lessons your self.
Seek help now, while the issue is not huge & you will be fine

Anyway there are a number of people in Perth who a qualified to help you get through this. Good luck

HorseSlave

I recently went to a problem solving clinic at Saltriver, and rearing was one of my horses issues. She even did a display for me to prove it was an issue! (Which was a relief - there's nothing worse than going to the mechanic with a problem and the car works fine!!)

I can happily recommend them if you need help with this.

__________________
My horse is my mirror, somedays she looks better than others....

Jumping Bean

Saltriver, I agree - but I also see Doc Martin's viewpoint, The horse just had its teeth done and started this - get teeth checked again!!

Rearing can be instigated by pain as well, if it is an overnight thing I would be not riding until she is thoroughly checked over again, teeth, back, saddle. Then if the problem persists, off to the pros .

Please don't try to sort her out by yourself Ebza, rearing can potentially be very dangerous. Not worth ending up in hospital or a wheelchair - and if you are losing confidence, she will sense this too . A good trainer will work with you and her, I wish you best of luck .

__________________
Stop the world ... I want to get off!

Merrylegs

Have you had her saddle professionally fitted?

__________________
Second Chance Horse Rescue Inc; www.schrar.org
SC Gift Sponsorships! Ideal gifts for that special animal lover in your life.