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Old 19-03-2008, 04:31 PM   #31
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i do agree with you all i would just trust good old vet with the parrafin oil i always know when my horses are just getting it.
i trust my vet but if hes not shitting when given the stuff ect i would be worried about somthing els. lube epson salt ect we all saying to try but a vet told me sand lube so i recon just to ask a vet with all this. start playing around with it u might kill ure horse. or to late to get the vet out.
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Old 19-03-2008, 05:50 PM   #32
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I would never have believed this if I hadn't seen it myself!! My boy has had more than his fair share of colics the last few weeks - 3 times in 6 weeks. All v mild thank goodness. The lady who owns the place I agist at said feed him a whole cooked pumpkin - seeds, skin and all, then mashed up. I did this yesterday and today his poop was full of sand - about 50% sand in each effort ( he was drenched normally by the vet with paraffin oil 6 weeks ago!) . He had also pooped a lot more than normal. I've got the O'Leary recipie but have yet to try it.
It's worth a try cause it certainly shifts sand out of the gut - no idea how or why??
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Old 19-03-2008, 07:06 PM   #33
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Was it tasty at least haha
haha...ummm...it was sweet as!! Put me off eating my chocky that night...thats for sure
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Old 19-03-2008, 07:35 PM   #34
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I can give you the benefit of my experience with sand drenching and treating sand colics.

Over the last 20 years I have treated (drenched) over 30 000 horses/ponies/foal/donkeys for sand and sand colic. I have euthanased or see die at least a 1000 horses from sand colic over this time.

Over this time I have seen and used many different drench "recipes" and treatment strategies. I have read all the published and evidence based medicine research papers that have written, I have been involved with drenching treatment trials with new medicines, I have seen hundreds of horses drenched with all manner of substances and liquids. I have come to these unshakeable conclusions;

No single preparation (liquid or powder) is 100% effective in removing accumulated abdominal sand

Often more than one treatment (drench) is required to remove larger quantities of sand

Bulk Hay feeding is proven to be the best way to feed horses to get rid of sand.

Prevention is better than cure. There are many strategies that do help prevent sand colic.

I have seen people use the HP O Leary recipes (n= 20 horses),which I am reliably told is

(Melt 500gms of candied (preferable but not entirely necessary) honey in, 600ml of full cream milk. Honey from the shops is unacceptable and treated milk as in 'Long Life' milk is also unacceptable. Add 200 ml of cream. Melt the honey in the milk and cream on the stove for a minute or so and then,drench the horse with it via stomach tube (best) or train the horse to drink it which they will in time).

I did not see any visible sand removal in these horses, and further some got mild colic/gastric upsets with diarrhoea for a few days. Feeding a large dose of honey in one go to your horse carries some risk, and it will most certainly alter the bacterial gut flora of your horse, possibly in an adverse way.

In my opinion the only "effective" weapons in the arsenal used in treat sand in horses are either epsom salts with paraffin oil drenches or drench with psyllium. They do work well in most cases - but are not a "magic bullet"

After using a drench comprised of 750grams of epsom salts (dissolved in 2 litres of water) and mixed with paraffin oil (2-5 litres) for over 20 years now - I am pleased with the results. To my knowledge I have never "stripped" the stomach lining of any horse I have drenched. Paraffin oil on its own in my hands has not been very effective as a drench.

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quick question for you Warwick...do you believe that regular routine drenching ie yearly or twice yearly is necessary or is it better to only treat when colicing?

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quick question for you Warwick...do you believe that regular routine drenching ie yearly or twice yearly is necessary or is it better to only treat when colicing?
Your answer depends on many factors.

To give an accurate one I would need to know how your horse is managed etc.

But in general - its best for most horses that are on sand plain country to get a drench at least once a year - in my years of experience I find that it does help reduce the incidence and severity of sand colic

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Woki, You are brave posting that reciepe on here. John will not be impressed unless you have his permission, plus it isant really fair that many of us have had to pay for it and you have just given it to thousands for free.
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Thank you for your insight Warwick I am always interested to hear your opinions.
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Thank you for your insight Warwick I am always interested to hear your opinions.
Ditto.

Good post Woki.
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Woki, You are brave posting that reciepe on here. John will not be impressed unless you have his permission, plus it isant really fair that many of us have had to pay for it and you have just given it to thousands for free.
I am not sure why it isnt fair - the recipe (if it is his) has been published in public places on the internet before - here is just one that I discovered .- ** Sand Colic Remedy ** - Horse Health

It has also been told to me by clients of mine who used it and their horses got sick - I needed to know what was given to treat the horse afterwards.

As an aside - it goes against the ethos of veterinarians to have "secret" or "pay for recipe" medicines - the profession lives by an ethos of open discussion and information about new, current or different ways to treat animals - that way horse welfare is improved and treatments can be tested independently and under scrutiny. It helps prevent the "snake oil" sellers of the world from ripping people off. If people ask for "my recipe" for treating horses - I give them the information freely - if they want to use the information then thats fine by me. If they want me to treat their horses then I charge for it - but the knowledge that I have and use is public knowledge for all to see and use.

I am pretty sure that the recipe (if it is Johns) that I have posted cannot be patented, nor could it be copyrighted - but I am not an expert in this area - if John is concerned he can contact me and demonstrate his patent or copyright and the registration details of his remedy and I will happily remove my post with an apology.

What I would also be interested in is if he or someone else could perhaps then provide some evidence based medicine and proper data that supports the claims of effectiveness for the drench. I am always looking for better ways to treat horses - I have an open mind and if it works as his website suggests then maybe I need to change my approach. It would be unprofessional of me if I was made aware of a better, tried and tested/proven treatment for colic/sand and I didn't use it - I might even be open to being sued for not treating a horse properly.

My frustration is that although I have read his website and despite some interesting stories and affirmations I don't see any real science there.

Thanks for your concern - those that know me know that I am not very brave at all !!!

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