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Old 25-07-2008, 05:59 AM   #31
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shell, those manufactures that put copper sulphate into a bag, should only be for a young horse (yearling or younger) to help with the growth of EPIPHISEAL PLATE or EPIPHISIS.
1 gram of copper will yeild 247.5 milligrams of copper
one table spoon is approx 30 grams = 7425 milligrams of copper
a young horse has the daily requirement of 0.2 milligram per hundred kilos of the horses body weight
so you can see that it is a VERY VERY tiny amount that is needed.
a pinch per feed is FAR too much
a pinch once a month is more closer to what a YOUNG horse requires.
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as i will be requiring your essay on copper sulphate on my desk on MONDAY
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Old 25-07-2008, 06:14 AM   #32
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Interesting....having used it to burn off proud flesh-very successfully too-don't think I'll be adding it to my feeds!!
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Old 25-07-2008, 06:18 AM   #33
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shell, those manufactures that put copper sulphate into a bag, should only be for a young horse (yearling or younger) to help with the growth of EPIPHISEAL PLATE or EPIPHISIS.
Ahhh, now I know why.....as I did noticed that some feed bags that don't have copper sulphate in it was for working horses! So that makes sense in for young baby horses!

Thanks for the info...smashie!
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i never said anything about my horse being copper deficient. I do not guess about anything to do with my POOR horse, i simply asked if any stockies know much about feeding copper sulfate becoz i was told its good for greasy heel.
The theory is that if your horse is susceptible to fungal infections, they often are also copper deficient. Mites fleas etc.. often sulphur deficient. Copper obviously isn't the only thing involved but for some horses it is something that cures them pretty quick.


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1 gram of copper will yeild 247.5 milligrams of copper
one table spoon is approx 30 grams = 7425 milligrams of copper
a young horse has the daily requirement of 0.2 milligram per hundred kilos of the horses body weight
so you can see that it is a VERY VERY tiny amount that is needed.
a pinch per feed is FAR too much
a pinch once a month is more closer to what a YOUNG horse requires.
All horses are different, they have found that for horses with copper deficient symptoms (includes dry coats with the little curl on the end you see on some horses etc.), a little pinch now and then didn't help.

Pat Coleby did some really interesting research on curing common diseases just with adding different minerals in overdose quantities. Proved very effective, more so than the common western medicine way of just treating symptoms. The minerals fixed the problem from the source.

The problem really comes about when people do improve their animals with mineral use, but then think they have to keep feeding it. The overdose should only be for a short time, for a specific reason. So many cases where people have kept feeding seaweed etc.. ending up being the detriment of the horse as they didn't need it.

The bought vit and min supplements are a lot safer as the levels are low and we can do good, but not too much harm!
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Old 25-07-2008, 09:19 AM   #35
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By Dr Peter Huntington
Kentucky Equine Research, Inc.


Calcium can be added from limestone and dicalcium phosphate can supply calcium and phosphorus, but trace minerals need to be supplied in a fortified feed or supplement. The current practice of adding copper sulphate is dangerous and likely to be ineffective as a means of getting copper into the horse. Copper sulphate can be irritant to the horse's mouth and the daily copper requirement will be fulfilled by less than a gram of copper sulphate. It is difficult to accurately feed that small a quantity, let alone know if the horse eats it. Often copper deficiencies are matched by zinc, manganese, iodine and selenium as well. Use copper sulphate in the water to control algae, but stick to the proven methods to supplement a deficient diet
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A vocal minority have advocated the use of high levels of copper sulphate supplementation for
horses, up to a teaspoon a day, containing approximately 2.3g of copper. Such high levels of
copper would be a lethal dose for cattle or sheep. Studies of ponies have shown that they can,
in the short term, survive these high copper intakes. However, the livers of these ponies
developed a blue sheen due to the large amount of copper accumulation. The long term effects
that this stress to the liver could have on the ponies well-being was not evaluated.
How much copper do horses need? Data supplied by the National Research Council and
Kentucky Equine Research indicates that a 500 kg Thoroughbred in medium work requires 0.1
to 0.2g of copper per day
. This is equivalent to 0.25g – 0.5g of copper sulphate (no more than a
tenth of a teaspoon
). However, this does not take into account the copper your horse may
already be getting in its diet
, which may already be excessive in some areas.
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With regard to the copper sulphate in water troughs, I occasionally put trough blocks in. Would a teaspoon full of copper sulphate do the same thing? And if so, how much of it do the horses ingest? Is a trough block too much?
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horseslave,
from what i can find out through "googling" LOL there is nothing harmful about those copper sulphate blocks that you put into water troughs.
i do know they are not solid copper sulphate blocks but are a combination of "stuff", i have not found ANY information regarding putting straight copper sulphate into water troughs though.
not much help i know, but i did try
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With regard to the copper sulphate in water troughs, I occasionally put trough blocks in. Would a teaspoon full of copper sulphate do the same thing? And if so, how much of it do the horses ingest? Is a trough block too much?

I usually use the blocks in summer...to keep algae down. I break a little off at a time and use, about 5cm square keeps a bath of water clean for weeks.
(I clean each week..2 at the most) and just keep the same bit of bluestone in there until it is gone.
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pssst trojane, if you read this, your essay is due in by TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!
OMG will buy more time? (you know I don't do timtams)

But didn't you notice I've been sooo diplomatic and not bought into this thread? Was giving it a rest after the M,C&H wars (which am happy to revive if someone is sore for an argument)
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