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simbin

he would be pretty hard to show I think. His coat to me is a wishy washy chestnut not bright at all. whitening his blaze wouldnt work because it would look like you have left bits out lol but I bought him to event fortunately.
Above his eyes where his blaze/star finishes there is more white har than chestnut.



You can sort of see the white in this pic it looks like he needs a good bath.



Int his one you cant see much of the white.

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jodie

Yea in the one with his head down i can see the whitening above the blaze. He has a very cute face!

blitzen

Simbin - my chestnut TB is similar to yours - and has patches thru his coat that look like someone has tossed bleach on him - MUCH lighter patches. he's also got a LOT of flecking & bend'or marks on him & his star/stripe thingy has lots of white fur around the actual outline of it... would he have sabino gene too?

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simbin

You can see the white on his neck and also above his flanks. I could dye him I suppose lol.

Well apparently so blitzen but I'm no expert. I thought he was a roan but apparently with roans the white hairs through the coat dont extend to the head. its funny cause the only shiny bits on his coat is where there is a lack of white hair.

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kiraspark

I think hes just got ticking. Its quite often seen in chestnuts.

Hes definitely not a roan. Roans usually have the white flecked body and a solid coloured head. See Colibans boy, Tru Blu Texan, for an example -


Hi Lena, hope you dont mind me using his photo, as he is a good example, and the first roan that came to mind

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Sharaway

The Sabino Gene is the most confusing of the coat patterns or Pinto genes in horses, but is the greatest breeding tool for achieving colour.
Technically, any horse with a chin-spot ( white on the bottom lip) or white above the midline of the knee or dimishing spear above the hock, is a genetic Sabino. often associated with the Sabino is also the belly spot or white flecking, otherwise know as tickings. Sabino occurs in nearly every breed of horse. I have seen a large number of purebred Quarter Horses, Purebred Arabians & TB’s with the gene. Possible the greatest example of True Sabino acting on its own without interference from other patterns is the white markings found on the purebred Clyesdale. Which is one of the reason they produce colour so readily when bred to a Pinto. Horse’s with the Sabino gene, no matter how minimal in any breed are a breeding tool for Pinto breeders, as when bred to a Pinto they produce much higher colour % then when A Pinto is bred to a solid.

Features of the Sabino, A patch ( or patches) present on the underside at belly, girth or breast. Body white appears to run vertically up the body, terminating in irregular peaks or splashes of dimishing size. Chin spot or white bottom lip. White legs with white hooves. Ticking or white flecking. Diminishing spear on stocking edges or peaked or pointy edges to stockings, white fleckings also is often found on sabino’s legs just about stockings or socks . The sabino rarely has 4 dark legs even in minimal form , Even in VERY minimal form sabino can be found in as little as white (white skin) on the bottom lip. I have to say most Pinto/paint carry this gene along with there other patterns for example our Tobiano stallion is also Sabino. Our Splashed white mare also has the Sabino gene. It is note worth to say it means the horses who also carry the Sabino gene can also produce it in its own right. For example our Tobiano/Sabino stallion has produced foals you would class as Sabino, not Tobiano.
The great confusion with the sabino is mostly because Sabino is mostly found in conjunction with other patterns & can co-exist with all Pinto Patterns. It is most often confused with Overo & Splashed White. But in Truth is a different white gene with different modifyers. Overo Lethal White Gene has never been reported in true Sabino’s & can safely be bred to any Pinto pattern. Sabino is also often confused with roan, for example in the Clyesdale bred, no true roan exist in the Clyesdale but what is actually being seen is sabino ticking & flecking.

Sabino White In sabino’s a all white horse can be bred, it is not lethal like the Pure white foals born to Overo’s referred to as lethal White Foals. The sabino white most often has a dark brown or dark blue almost black eye. Some have one of each. Although some have been seen with blue eyes, which is most often seen in the sabino white Clyesdale (which there are quit a few) A few all white purebred TB’s have been bred , they are a true Sabino white, with no other pattern acting on the horse they had no complications or problems & have gone on to bred a line of Sabino TB’s one very well know Sabino TB is Colourful Gambler Reg ASB TB. One known as the bride even raced. Most of these white TB’s were born with a small amount of colour on them which disappeared with the change from foal coat . Sabino white has no relation to Cremello or Perlino to which it is often confused.

Regards Lucy

Dunsplashin Pinto Horse Stud

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Remaani

For Pinto colour requirements, read the Constitution on here: The Pinto Horse Society (WA) Inc. |

I had a Key Business filly, chestnut Sabino. Not that much white but she had the speared stckings, belly splodge & white bottom lip with a blaze.
She had a small belly patch, bigger than what Jodie's mare has (geez she's damn nice!! ) but in the same spot, lol.

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Caroline

I have been told TBs can be registered as paints if they have enough unusual white markings. I have seen 2 TB racehorses that were apparently eligable for paint rego. Contact the APHA for full details and confirmation. Google them.

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jmrchook

In the June July edition of Hoofbeats they apparently did an article on the T/Bred Crop-Outs. They are a handful of very unusually marked horses with a lot of white inclubing the belly splashes and extentive face and jowl markings. I was wondering if anyone has any more info and how do I get a photo onto this site so I can show you his markings?

Thanks

Julie

Kintara

Sabino as defined by a pinto society I think is very different to a genetic sabino. Sabino really is nearly every white marking we are yet to identify!!

The classic sabino has always been defined as the clydesdale markings say, but then the sb1 gene isn't really like that. It's more a roaning type gene that makes them nearly all white in homozygous form. The newly isolated so called dominant white genes are also some form of what is sometimes called sabino with a lot of roaning. Usually any white socks or white on the face (in the absence of frame and tobiano) is called sabino. So, no they don't need a chin spot. However a sabino defined by a pinto society I think does have to have the chin spot. Plus they need to have enough white elsewhere to be actually pinto. The more minimal sabinos are just your every day horses with a couple of socks and a star. No chin spots there. Splashed white in more minimal form is usually called sabino, although with no genetic test for either it's purely conjecture what is what when they aren't as obvious. Some sabino expressions cause some roaning, some don't. But basically if your horse has some white and isn't pinto, it's probably sabino!

Shetland ponies are thought not to have sabino as they don't get white socks. If a shetland pony has white socks it is usually minimal tobiano. Even if they don't visually look tobiano, you know when you see any white socks on a shetty they usually are. Shetlands however do have stars sometimes. It's thought that the star on a shetland is probably minimal splashed white. Or maybe it's another type of sabino that only puts white on the head, not the legs. Until there are tests we really have no idea!

So rather than sabino being specific chin spot or above the knee markings, that is just what makes a sabino a pinto!
Cheers

Danni