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Kintara

Probably couldn't register him as a paint, but could probably register him as a pinto depending on how extensive the white is?

Westausgrl

Hi All, just thought I would throw a question in here if I may. I have a 15/16 yr old t/b, I got him about 12 yrs ago straight of the Track. He is a chestnut, but he also has white spots on his rump and patches that look like dirty smudging (with white hairs) down is near side hind leg. I managed to track down the breeder and apparently he was born with these.

Does anyone know where these spots would come from?? (in summer he looks like an appaloosa)

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Tintara

I think they call them 'Bend D'Or' spots or something. Quite common in certain lines of Tbs (obviously those tracing back to Bend D'Or ).

chrome

The article in the paint magazine was total rubbish, Either the author hadnt a clue, or someone somewhere has been sucked in bigtime. He is a lovely type of horse. However, to keep talking about a rare mutation is poppycock. he is a plain old overo TB..and of course olws positive. To not mention that in his advertising, and to not mention the entire concept of responsible breeding is very disturbing to see. What a shame , and how irresponsible. What is more disturbing is that now the warmbloods,arabs and all the associations that allow TB to refine their blood will have to be aware of this remarquable genetic mutation !!

winningcolours

Hi Chrome. I am sorry that you feel that the only frame-overo thoroughbred in the Southern Hemisphere is just a plain old overo tb. It is a very rare gene in the thoroughbred breed and for you to state otherwise is simply not true. On all Profile In Style’s advertising we have his genetic colour code which states Ee o/n Aa. The o/n is the code for one overo gene or one copy of the olws gene.
There seems confusion and a taboo with many about LWO – mainly due to lack of knowledge. I would like to point out:-
1.You need never breed a lethal foal ever and can breed with frame overos every single time. 2. Every single true overo horse ever born in the history of horses carries the OLWS gene.
Profile is a true overo so he has one copy of the overo gene. This is the same gene as the LWO or OLWS gene or ‘lethal’. A lethal foal has TWO copies of the overo gene, which can only be got by both parents having the overo gene. Breeding a frame overo to a sabino, tobiano, solid, palomino, cremello etc, or any combination of these, there is 100% NO chance of having a lethal foal. The resulting foal can only ever have no copies of the gene; or one copy of the gene - in which case it will have the highly sort after and prized overo gene and have the beautiful coat pattern we all desire. We will be educating all outside mare owners of this so you need not get ‘disturbed’. Further to this, we will not stand him to Tobiano mares so there can be no masking of the overo gene, nor spread without knowledge. We are responsible colour breeders and it is a shame you have judged Winning Colours Farm as irresponsible. And therefore you must see the Colorworld Ranch USA , True Colors Farms Canada and FalconHorse Stud in Europe (which also breed coloured Warmbloods and Arabians) who all breed colour very responsibly and have done so for years, irresponsible also.

nannygoat

Just reading the Horse Deals with my toast, and I see an ad for coloured TB's in New Zealand with a beaut wee coloured TB colt for sale, huge white face and legs.

Dont know all the ins and outs of this coloured breeding but I personally think they sure are purty!!!

Shiobhan

Welcome Winningcolours! I hope you stick around, sorry you have had to come in to defend the coloured tb's though. I have been admiring your stallion and am seriously contemplating sending a mare next season. Just have to find the right one to buy over east first lol

Nannygoat I saw them too, have horsedeals in front of me actually lol.

Westausgrl

Thank you for that Tintara, I will do some research now that I have an idea of what to look for.

Hi Winningcolours, I was reading you comment and you got me curious, Only asking this as I have a tobiano mare. Why wouldnt you put your stallion over a Tobiano Mare?? My mare is tobiano and has been LWO tested (negative). I am just curious thats all..

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Kintara

I think the coloured TB's are cool! But personally I wouldn't want to breed LWO, I'd prefer the safer tobianos etc..! But obviously the frames are popular with other folks!

As for breeding a frame overo to a tobinao, frame can 'hide' in minimal form in solids and sabinos too. So I'd just think a LWO test from mares with paint/QH breeding would be the easiest option. At you've said Westausgrl, a tobiano with negative LWO is just as safe as breding to a solid with negative LWO!
Cheers

Danni

winningcolours

Hi again all. We will breed solid colored, Sabino and Rabicano mares but not tobianos as that washes the lines out and you never know if the frame is there. You also do not know it when a frame looks solid but if a frame is involved you may test but with a horse tobiano looking they may just forget. We feel this is responsible colour breeding. Please excuse delayed reply - breeding season and VERY busy!