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Old 23-04-2013, 02:49 PM   #1
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I see it as a step backwards. I hoped AQHA would follow the progressive thinking of PHAA and introduce the ruling as well. But it didn't happen.
The rule to test for PSSM1 was outvoted by ONE vote.
Meanwhile a friend of mine put her future stud horse to be in the ground after 2 years of battle with shakes attacks and horrible feet on all 4 legs, it costed her heaps of money to buy it in the first place, plus heaps more to look after it in vet and farrier bills.
And on top of that she had to pay the guy to dig the hole for him and pay the vet to put him to sleep.
All she she wished she knew about PSSM1 prior to buying and she wouldn't wish it on any horse or its owner what she's been through with her colt.
She was absolutely devastated. How many more people are in her shoes?
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It is, indeed, sad that the regulatory testing has not been renewed. Sadly, when it came to light that no cross-referencing of the samples sent for PPSM testing was happening, it voided all tests that had previously been recorded There are still registries occurring online based on tested results. So hopefully these can be utilised at a later date?
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How would it help the horses? why keep in the breeding program stock that will be passing a defect 50% without a fail?
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i think its disgracefull if theres problems genetically in any breed all should be tested for so i guess its gonna be up to the responsible breeders to do it themselves whats new.
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It is a real shame Coliban I think the western breeds were and let's face it still are progressive - one step back doesn't mean they are not still alot more forward thinking than most other breed societies.

I tested my stallion for PSSM1 as I have a friend with a Warmblood who struggles with it but most people within my breed don't test for anything or if they do don't advertise it. I guess people are scared that after paying alot of money for a mare or stallion to have it test positive
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i think its disgracefull if theres problems genetically in any breed all should be tested for so i guess its gonna be up to the responsible breeders to do it themselves whats new.
What about new comers? Can you imagine them all excited with the idea of getting a dream horse, they usually don't know much or enough about genetic disorders and ending up paying a good dollar for an affected horse?
I have followed the story of my friend's horse. She knew from the day she bought him it was something wrong with him. Then thanks to some devoted breeders, who discovered they had PSSM1 horses themselves and opened this can of worms trying to educate the others. Then the test became available in the US and the breeder tested her mare and the foal. The mare was N/N, the foal tested Ps1 positive. It meant that the sire of the said foal was a PSSm1 carrier. He also was the sire of my friend's foal as well. it started to make the perfect sense with all the symptoms fitting the picture.
Talking to a real person facing real dramas with PSSM horse scared the bejesus out of me. So we tested all our breeding stock. It costed us a small fortune but at least we could sleep well knowing that our horses don't carry dominant genetic disorders that could be passed on in 50% cases. We were so lucky they all were negative The results are on our website for everyone to see.
I wouldn't buy or breed to a PSSM1 horse after seeing how it affected my friend.
So folks it is back to a buyer beware again! If you don't ask a breeder or a stallion owner if their horse is a carrier they are not obliged to tell you because neither of AAA, AQHA or PHAA require the testing.
There are lists of positive and negative horses on the PSSM1 Forum page on a social networking site. It is worth while checking prior to breeding or purchasing your next horse.
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That's the thing though Coliban. As the owner of these breeding horses, you took it upon yourself to do the responsible thing and have product assurity. Your buyers can then know that your horses have been tested. Did your friend have her horse Vet-Checked before purchase? In a breed where PSSM is acknowledged, could that have been something (in hindsight) that should be checked pre-purchase? Certainly it's why we choose to use lines that are HYPP or HERDA tested or not required.

If the Buyers don't want to check those things out, they leave themselves open to all sorts. As the Seller, best to have those checks all in place!
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I guess people are scared that after paying alot of money for a mare or stallion to have it test positive
Or prefer not to even if they know for a fact or suspect their stud horse is a carrier. if it is not in black and white they can't be held liable.
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That's the thing though Coliban. As the owner of these breeding horses, you took it upon yourself to do the responsible thing and have product assurity. Your buyers can then know that your horses have been tested. Did your friend have her horse Vet-Checked before purchase? In a breed where PSSM is acknowledged, could that have been something (in hindsight) that should be checked pre-purchase? Certainly it's why we choose to use lines that are HYPP or HERDA tested or not required.

If the Buyers don't want to check those things out, they leave themselves open to all sorts. As the Seller, best to have those checks all in place!
She bought him as a weanling. Even if it were vetted prior to purchase, no vet would pick up PSSM1 without a test or a foal fitting in front of him/her during the examination.
The seller actually contacted my friend when she found out herself that the sire was a carrier, she genuinely didn't know, it wasn't the public knowledge back then.

I also gave a heads up to a breeder in WA when I saw she was going to breed a possible carrier to a definite carrier and didn't even get a thank you back, not even an acknowledgement of receiving the valuable info, but you get that,
I know I have done the right thing by warning her.
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So many of today's (and yesterday's) champion sires have tested positive for conditions, sires who have contributed even more champions into the equine world. A horse called Spooks Gotta Whiz who has won reining's triple crown is GBED positive, BUT is only bred to mares who have proven to test negative. I find it hard to believe that a horse who has won so much in competition would suffer the physical effects of this condition.
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GBED is a recessive disorder, a carrier is NOT affected in any way physically or mentally from it.The danger is when 2 carriers are bred together and then there is 1 in 4 chances for a foal to inherit Gb from BOTH parents which leads to its death within 3 months.
GBED is like HERDA, recessive. When PSSM1 is like HYPP a dominant disorder that gets passed on to 50% of the progeny regardless of the other parent status.
The question is how many carriers get afflicted? And how many non afflicted carriers can sire afflicted ones?
I was not going to risk a horse's well being to find that out.
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