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Old 26-10-2011, 09:32 PM   #21
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I had a gelding and a mare (only horses I had) and put them in together.....rather that than being in separate paddocks and completely miserable that they have no "herd"? For a while I even had two geldings and my mare.

My Aunty had her mare & gelding in together - again, her only two horses.

In fact, everyone I personally know has had geldings and mares in together.

So do you only mean breeding mares or all mares?
And does this mean that pretty much everyone I have learned from, has been 'neglecting' their horses?
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Old 26-10-2011, 09:37 PM   #22
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Actually generally speaking there is "harm done".......but if you're happy with him doing it then thats your choice. But it certainly isn't appropriate stud practise or standard.
Its just something that you don't have a problem with.

I don't like it that some people neglect their horses either, but because they own them they can do what they like.....if no laws are broken then a horse owner can run their place any way they see fit. And they do.
I dont see this post as saying if you put both in together you are neglectful. I see it as two separate comments
I think some people are reading too much into EVPs post

To me, its two separate paragraphs.
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Old 27-10-2011, 07:49 AM   #23
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I have never had much of a problem with mares and geldings paddocked together. Let horse be horses. I would prefer them to know a herd-like situation, however if I have a gelding that causes problem I will separate him form the girls.

You may not have meant it, but the way you have phrased this makes it sound like you are saying that anyone paddocking geldings with mares is neglecting their horses... I really don't understand that conclusion. It's fine for you to have that practice and I'm sure many do, but if they co-exist happily together and cause no problems then how can this even remotely be considered neglect? I know many MARES who argue so much that they need to be kept separate and same with geldings. What does it matter what sex they are so long as they are happy and cause no problems.

In this instance tho Gecko, I think that the best option would be to move your old boy as far away from the stallions and paddock him just with another gelding. He is obviously not coping with another man taking his gals interest and needs a cool down on the ol hormones.
You'll notice that I posted - "breeding mares". If someone isn't breeding their female horse then any risk to her fertility is moot.
If however someone intends to breed from their mare then its acceptable standard to not have them in with a male horse (unless its the stallion you intend to breed her to in a paddock mating scenario).

Geldings that mount and/or actually penetrate a mare can cause serious damage.....(besides it being totally disgusting and defeats one important purpose of removing the testes anyway). They can also lacerate and scar up external and internal reproductive tissue.
Anyone actually looked at a horses penis? A serving stallion is usually washed and cleaned prior and after serving a mare to limit the risk of infection and cross-infection (mare to stallion to mare).
A randy gelding serving mares is a serious risk to her continued fertility by way of infection from his unclean penis in the first instance, and from any other infection or condition that he passes on after penetrating another mare!

Geldings jumping mares in my opinion is bad stud practise and shows a complete disregard to appropriate management.
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Old 27-10-2011, 08:27 AM   #24
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all other things aside , i thought the whole idea of gelding was to stop hormone behavior like this.
but must agree evp,s comments did sound a bit like anyone doing that is being neglectfull. thats the trouble with the type written word it doesnt always sound like you intended
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I guess if you nitpicked it to pieces, allowing a randy gelding to jump on and actually serve mares whenever he felt like it, is a tad 'neglectful'......in that the mares health is being risked? Apart from the yuckiness of it all that is.....ahahaha. Where is the line in the sand between 'neglectful' and 'ignorance'?

If a mare is standing for a gelding to serve her, then one must assume she is in season (estrus). If this is the case then her cervix is softening to allow the passage of semen (as is what happens during breeding).

It is at this time her uterus is exposed, not only to sperm in semen, but also other contaminates. They cross through the softened cervix and into the uterus. During "real" breeding or AI all these factors are taken into consideration, with strict hygene practices to ensure that the mare is not exposed to anymore than she should be. This is done with sterile equipment in sterile surroundings, or with the washing and using antiseptic preps with a stallions penis, or collection gear.

Imagine a randy gelding getting on and doing his thing....not just with the one mare, but with others he might be paddocked with.
Like sharing a "dirty needle"!

If the mare isn't in estrus and the gelding is making himself a nuisence by humping her anyway, then there is the very real risk of tearing delicate internal and external tissues - and this can't be good for a mare that might want to be bred later, or for her general health.
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all other things aside , i thought the whole idea of gelding was to stop hormone behavior like this.
but must agree evp,s comments did sound a bit like anyone doing that is being neglectfull. thats the trouble with the type written word it doesnt always sound like you intended
Carol removing the testes only stops the collection of sperm that can create a foal. The male hormones that are responsible for those sexual feelings come from the brain. Only a percentage I believe are made and stored in the nuts.......lolol No nuts SHOULD mean a decrease in desire, and it usually does.....but not always.

I remember a friend's mother owned a very randy gelding. But everytime he "got it out" in that certain way, she would wack with a piece of soft polly pipe while yelling "You dirty rat"...........She called it 'behaviour modification' I called it 'annoying'. Suffice to say she got rid of him after 2 years. His previous owners hadn't been able to curb his randiness even after investigations.....The last time she rode him was on a charity ride - he tried mounting a pretty white pony with the kid still in the saddle!!
I was later told that another previous owner had thought it "Ok for him to have a bit of fun with their 2 mares, who's it hurting right"........Hummmmmmmm.
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Hey as I said, Any Gelding who causes problems with the mare is alwasy separated. I don't think having a randy geling in with the mares is a good idea even if they aren't being bred from, however alot of mare will put said randy male in place should they even TRY and do anything inappropriate and I have always found this is good for a young gelding ot learn his place in the scheme of things.

If I had only one mare and one gelding and the gelding was just a paddock mate who didnt try n tease or serve her then I would keep them together regardless of whether the mare was being bred from or not. Each horse is an individual and should be treated as such.
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Serving is a natural function, horses have evolved over millions of years to deal with semen and contaminates, it might be 'yucky' to you but that doesn't mean it's 'yucky' to the horse

I do understand where you're coming from with breeding mares, but I just wanted to point that out. There's no need to cloud a normal happening with our own scruples and 'sex is dirty' beliefs.
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Serving is a natural function, horses have evolved over millions of years to deal with semen and contaminates, it might be 'yucky' to you but that doesn't mean it's 'yucky' to the horse

I do understand where you're coming from with breeding mares, but I just wanted to point that out.
Yes you're right Sil that it is "natural".......but unfortunately alot of mares do not deal with semen and contaminates.

Luckily, in CORRECT breeding environments semen itself has an irritant that helps the uterus evacuate after serving, but seeing as a gelding wouldn't have live sperm to help facilitate this, and the very non-sterile penis, or one that might have visited other mares - well thats a recipe for yuck in my book......ahahaha.

The only thing that enters a mare should be a clean penis or sterile AI equipment....even then there could be problems but the risks to fertility and conception are lowered for sure.
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