my brain is bleeding!

Jaana · 09-02-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Arnie

Oh yeh just like past owners trying to have a mare leased back to them when its 'convenient' for them just so they can get a foal. Bugger that!

not sure why you are trying to make this thread personal arnie, i was simply responding to your statement.

Yes when I sold Jazz to you that was my dream and one that you supported, however things have changed.

However to the OP, good luck in whatever you desire.

EVP · 09-02-2010, 01:16 PM

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brumby_78;1004684 mongrel foals now...damn isn't that what every X breed is...

No not every X bred foal could be considered "mongrel".....those without validated parentage/registration could fall in that category.

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she is an arab and the first foal couldn't be registered as the stallion owner said i owe him the FEE... the sencond foal is registred Arabian riding pony.

no i don't have either foal anymore. nor did i sell them... but they had great homes to go too

So they didn't get the guaranteed forever home with you?
This is why the reason of "breeding for myself to keep" is totally unrealistic.

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(There are huge health concerns for horses who breed in this way.....transmissable diseases....genetic conditions.........) all these problems may arise in ANY breeding not to mention conformational problems etc etc...

Ethical breeders who use correct and recognised breeding methods will NOT have safety concerns....because they use correct procedures and don't leave nature to do its own unsupervised thing. Good breeders know all about conformational issues and use appropriate breedings to reduce that incidence.

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do you really wanna make a list why no one should breed... alot of these "purpose breed" horses end up unwanted, unhealthy, unnecessary, and yes alot of horses end up as dog food, on SC needing a home etc etc and they are purpose breed horses breed solely for $$$$$$$

Yes unwanted horses fill lots of sale yards. The majority (apart from failed racers) are HIENZ variety horses. And you wish to add to those numbers?

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yet i want to breed my mare and get a foal for my self to keep and its for the wrong reasons???

You said you "wanted a foal to keep for yourself".........but the other 2 foals from this mare were 'given away'..........no one can guarantee a forever home for their horses and that is not a valid reason to breed one.

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i have has my mare since i was 10yrs old... my mum was tough on me i had to pay for eveything myself otherwise i wasn't allowed to keep the horse, in april i have had her for 22yrs... i think i have shown that im going to give my horse a good home and not say oh well lets get rid of it cos it aint doing anything for me etc tec...

Owning one horse for that long is wonderful........it is still not valid reason to indiscrimately breed her. You said you don't "care" where and to whom she is bred......and her first 2 foals went with other owners........after being conceived by "mistake".
Can you guarantee a very safe and adequate place to foal down and raise a baby? With 100% supervision and everything needed to do it safely for both mare and foal?

There are no laws about who can breed and who can't........people can do whatever they like. And they usually do.

brumby_78 · 09-02-2010, 01:23 PM

EVP i have read your posts and you are allowed to have your own thoughts and so am I and i think i will agree to disagree with you on this matter.

Bucking mad · 09-02-2010, 01:30 PM

No need to justify or explain yourself to anyone Brumby

, I know of a cple of well known breeders in WA, still breeding with mares older than yours with success. As long as you've had her checked out by the vets etc etc then the decision is yours and stuff what anyone else says. You will ALWAYS find those who disagree or have reasons for you not to do it.

Good luck

EVP · 09-02-2010, 01:31 PM

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There are no laws about who can breed and who can't........people can do whatever they like. And they usually do.

Some people ask for advise and then don't like to have to consider anything past what they WANT to do.

If you can satisfy all the MUST haves to breed a foal....like facility, land, supervision, money, time, good bloodlines ect ect....then you go for it.

Otherwise you will anyway......lolololol

BTW did the mare have a full repro exam? Scans ect...that is what is normally done to check for reproductive soundness.
A mares age has little to do with the discussion either.......its whether a mare should be bred not whether she can be bred. I bred a 17 yr old maiden this year.

mirawee · 09-02-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Linnybear

Geez, aggressive much

What is that supposed to mean? All I stated is that for someone to have action taken against them for cross breeding their pedigree dog they would first of all need to be dobbed into the appropriate state Kennel Club. So how exactly is that aggressive?

mirawee · 09-02-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GoGo

Dont shoot me, but going back to the purebred pup issue, I have a friend who is a breeder of Cocker Spaniels and she says that once a dog has had a litter there will always be a thread of DNA in the bitch's system(Apparently from every litter) that will flow on to all further puppies- hence the reason that once mated to a different breed they can no longer be considered to be able to give birth to pedigree pups again.I am assuming that is the reason the breeders assoc de-list the dog.I have no idea if its true -just what she goes on about when dogs are roaming in her neigbourhood as she gets worried one might get to her bitch's.She says that pure breds should have a completely pink inside of there mouth- once crossed in mating a pup will never be born without black markings of even mini proportions.

No that is not true scientifically nor in terms of the ANKC. The ANKC suspends the breeder because they have broken the Code of Ethics not because of any issue with them breeding that bitch. And the bitch can still have registered litters - just not with that owner...

And obviously my Finnish Lapphunds and Australian Kelpies (who are all pedigree) are crossbred dogs since they have black inside their mouth.

Sounds like a breeder who doesn't know much about genetics.

sil · 09-02-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EVP

Some people ask for advise and then don't like to have to consider anything past what they WANT to do.

She didn't ask for advice - it was just foisted on her.

EVP · 09-02-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sil

She didn't ask for advice - it was just foisted on her.

Sil when someone posts their bit in a thread titled "Breeding" and then proceeds to state:

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i want to breed my mare, so i too get to keep her traits in a baby and as a bit of her living on when she is gone... i love my mare to bits had her since she was 4mths old and she is 22 now... to be honest im not really fussed on what to breed her with as it will be for alone.. i do like Tom Thumb (watkins brumby), he has a beautiful nature and temp and just so happy go lucky for a stallion and i think they would make a cute baby together

Personally I think these statements say alot about uneducated, ill-prepared, ill-thought out breeding plans. They deserve comment from breeders who legitimately BREED horses.

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of course she has had foals, not by my doing she is a TART and coaxed the colts over the fence and breed by herself

Sorry, but in a world full of heinz-varity good for nothing horses, these statements are ALARMING. They also do nothing to highlight the integrity behind good ethical breeding practises and the expected outcome of viable and marketable foals

sil · 09-02-2010, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EVP

these statements are ALARMING. They also do nothing to highlight the integrity behind good ethical breeding practises and the expected outcome of viable and marketable foals

They might be alarming, but that is not the point - she didn't ask for advice
where you inferred she did

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Some people ask for advise

It's a personal bugbear of mine to watch people (in general) give their opinion without being asked for it, especially when I go back over this thread and it's full of loaded questions.

But now I am nitpicking and let's get back on topic. I hear what you are trying to say