Out of interest...

Shandeh · 03-07-2009, 11:50 AM

citygirl we researched the genetics of parrot mouth and one of the world's top Thoroughbred breeders said so long as you don't breed like to like the problem is far less likely to present - ie parrot mouth to parrot mouth you're more likely to get a parrot mouthed foal, or twisted legs to twisted legs. There is little to no proof that parrot mouth is a genetic fault, but yes, it is considered as such.

mirawee I said we can't afford the stud fee *on top of* everything else like vet bills if something went wrong. As to riding ponies, too small - Mum likes bigger horses that are more solidly built. Therefore warmblood type horses (including crosses of cold bloods to Thoroughbreds) are best suited to her needs.

PWF I'm pretty sure we're thinking about the same youngster, yeah.

We were - and still are - tossing up buying a weanling. We just want to explore all possible avenues, and Sugar would throw a gorgeous foal - has done, how many we have no idea though because we can't find much history on her.

Bon & Ted · 03-07-2009, 12:02 PM

Sorry but if I owned a stallion, I wouldn't sell a service to a parrot mouthed mare. I wouldn't want my progeny to have parrot mouths as so many people view it as a major fault...people talk, gives your stallion a bad name...

I don't want to sound harsh here, but take your rose coloured glasses off for ten minutes and seriously look at your mare. I don't know what she looks like, I've never seen pictures but so many people think that their horses are the next best thing since sliced bread. I'm guilty of that one too. Now I pick my horses to bits.

A service isn't that much, considering. Just save up, put aside buying that new saddle etc. And buy the service.

I have known breeders that have done the lease back thing, but that was for some seriously nice mares. Eg. proven broodie, prooven in the chosen discipline and a damn fine example of their breed.

Why would a stud want to lease a maiden mare, when they can get there would be plenty of people with broodies wanting a service...

Also buying a weanling is very rewarding, as much as I hate Sienna sometimes, she is like my own child! I bought her as a 7 month old weanling. I don't think I feel any less strong about her than if I had bred her myself.

Shandeh · 03-07-2009, 12:46 PM

B&T I'm pretty sure I've said she's a proven mum. I'm talking with a stallion owner right now and I've said she is parrot mouthed but they're not really bothered because their stallion doesn't have that fault.

We are still considering buying a warmblood type weanling, but this stallion is something special - and for stud for a very good price. I haven't actually spoken with Mum about him yet but I'll do that as soon as I can.

colibanqh · 03-07-2009, 01:05 PM

Hi All!
This thread sounds like a consealed self advertising and seeking a deal from stallion owners on behalf of the OP.

If you are wanting to free lease your mare, why don't you put a paid advert in classifieds???

Why are you posting in Breeding section if you are after leasing your mare???

Mods, what do you recon?

lena

Pepsea · 03-07-2009, 01:05 PM

if you cant afford the stud fee on top of all the other costs, how about wait a season(eg dont breed this season, but next season) and use that time to save up for the stud fee and chose the right stallion?

good luck....

i had been looking to breed another in a few years, but i have now decided i will buy exactly what im looking for, not chance breeding

Dashbabe · 03-07-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shandeh

PWF I'm pretty sure we're thinking about the same youngster, yeah.

My friends mum just bought the weanling your talking abouts Dam

Very Nice weanling, I told my friend if the mare throws something like that again ill ride and show it for free haha

Goodluck with whatever you choose

Shandeh · 03-07-2009, 02:31 PM

Exploring possibilities is all. Just curious as to how many people would actually agree to it.

And as I said the stallion would have to be chosen carefully - thus no wanted ad, because I hate turning people down (and there are cheaper places to put wanted ads if I do decide to put one up).

So no, I'm not advertising (at least not meaning to) - I'm researching possibilities.

Hopefully we won't be wondering about options for too much longer though.

colibanqh · 03-07-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mirawee

No stallion owner I know would be willing to do that with a mare with such obvious faults.

Ditto to that, Mirawee!

Why would ANY stallion owner risk breeding a parrot mouthed mare not once but TWICE????

with a good possibility of getting stuck with an unsellable parrot mouthed foal?

Parrot mouth is a genetic fault and is hereditory.
Even 2 normal mouthed horses can carry the gene recessively and when crossed on each other can produce a dominant gene carrier, a parrot mouthed animal. (when it is obvious).
To get away with breeding a dominant parrot mouthed animal safely is to know 100% that the other party is not carrying the gene recessively, but there is no test for that, so the risk is always there.

lena

zoo · 03-07-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Shandeh

Thanks Sil =] She's a lovely mare, although unfortunately she is a horse that needs careful selection of stallions due to a twist in a leg that we don't know if it's genetic or not (maybe an injury from racing?) and she is slightly parrot mouthed, both things that we don't want to make worse.

Sorry but just because the mare has a uterus doesn't mean she should have a foal especially if she is parrot mouthed IMO the mare should NOT be bred with.

No reputable stud will or should breed from this mare

. Do yourself a favour and start a savings jar and buy yourself a nice quality horse or foal.

Cheers

Sue

Remaani · 03-07-2009, 03:57 PM

I have a filly i bought earlier this year with a under-shot jaw. Since owning her (she was vet checked prior to purchase & vet believed she'll grow out of it), it has corrected quite a bit, but not enough. She was never going to be bred with, but used by my 5yo son to show.
However, we are De-Registering her & being a rising 1yo, i see no point her sitting in the paddock - so she'll be going on a long term (permanent basically) as a companion to racehorses, travelling to races etc. A great home, stabled, rugged & adored & the best thing is, she'll NEVER be bred from whilst i know where she is.

Neither parent has a parrot mouth, neither parent has produced a foal (sire has MANY foals on the ground) with a defect like this - shit happens but IMO they shouldn't be bred with, though i know a 3mm allowance is allowed in some Breed Society's. If it was very minimal (my girl's isn't, though it's minimal enough not to affect her everyday life), then i guess that could "possibly" be another story?