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citygirl

So far I think EVERYONE who has responded to this thread have been extremely nice !...

but yet none of their questions have been answered

So sparkie...what is your Stallions Breeding..that makes him worth
standing him at Public Stud...but your not using him yourself ??

cheers
Lee

kiraspark

Pubic stud! LOL!! Lee, I think you had better go and fix that one!!! ROFL!!

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citygirl

oh dear...mmm..well I'm off to hide..nar..have another drink

Remaani

Stuff hiding, just have another drink, i am & stuffed a post up.

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simbin

I cant quite imagine Samm being nasty just for the sake of being nasty. I think they have all given you a lot to think about. I have a Trak foal due in October and love the romantic idea of having a colt so that I can keep it as a stallion but as I have absolutely no idea what to do with it, it would definately lose its nuts even if it didnt have a visit from the vet so I'm hoping for a filly instead.

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breakawaystud

[quote=sparkie;555151]it would more likely be a hobby thing for me i am not in it for the bigger better money deal but just to keep my stallion happy i suppose i see your side about haveing a mare and wanting to veiw the offspring yeh... well i figure being a hobby for me the results will speak for themselves and being a very well known and great bloodline i think i will have enough to be a hobby.

this thread has got me thinking about heaps thanks to everyone replying, please i would love to know more...

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In the last two years I have trained two tafe students in Cert III horse breeding. When they arrived, they could barely put a halter on (one had never seen a horse wearing a rug). Less than 8 months later, they were sent out into the equine industry. It took about 50hrs per week of hands-on bootcamp-spotquestion type training AS WELL AS their TAFE projects as well as the marketing/budgeting/endocrinology/firstaid
/contracts/advertising/fencing/nutrition/husbandry/druguse-and-interaction/AGWA regs etc before they became proficient in mare handling.LET ALONE stallion handling.That comes later (as soon as they can provide their own insurance <GRIN>)
One trainee is now a senior hand at a leading TB stud in Serpentine, the other has 99% on her SB AI's for 08.
To stand a stallion is one thing, to do the best by the stallion and most importantly your mare owners is another ball game. If you want training or information, we always try to help.

sil

To be perfectly honest, if you just want him to be happy, geld him. A stallion's life can be very solitary especially if they are not educated from an early age to behave themselves. Stallions are the most social of the sexes and struggle with isolation from other horses.

If you feel that he is special enough that you may breed from him, then there are a few things you need to be aware of.

a) You'll need to accept that he is a stallion. This means you don't punish him for having hormones - which means you need to find ways to discipline him without putting him off sex.

b) Stallions need routine and black and white rules. They are not cuddly and they are not your best friend - never trust a stallion and never turn your back on one, no matter how quiet. Most quiet stallions are so because of the above.

c) If you are going to perform with a stallion, you'll need insurance. Also, you will need to always be in attendance and your boy must always be secure. People can and will park their mares in front of your stallion's nose. Mares are your 'enemy' - they KNOW when a stallion is around and often will do their best to let HIM know they are there - very distracting for a boy.

d) At some stage you'll need to decide how to run your breeding operation. Natural paddock service is the best and provides the best results fertility wise - but the stallion and mare both need to be normally socialised for this to work. You can't train the mares (outside mares) but your job is to train your stallion to serve a mare without getting flattened.

e) If you hand serve, you'll need helmets, gloves, strong shoes and a prayer those first few times, and someone experienced holding the mare. The fine line for hand serving is between teaching a keen young stallion to respect his handler during breeding, and not ruining his sex drive.

f) good luck

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Sharaway

Here is my 2 cents worth.
I own a colt, I have him kept on a friends stud, because she has the facilities and I don’t. I have used him over 1 mare, for the sole purpose of testing his temperament as a serving Stallion. Of which he passed with flying colours.

But I will not stand him at stud now until he is a going concern under saddle and has proven his worth in competition.

Because he is coloured people will want to breed to him because of colour alone, however I don’t believe in breeding for colour alone. I want to breed for performance also.

The other point is when I am looking to use a Stallion, I wont use a young colt from a good bloodline if the Sire with the good bloodline is available. Why use the unproven young Stallion when the proven sire is still available.

There are some long term thinking breeders out there who will use a young colt over a select few of their own mares, get the colt out and about, then market the colt and have the resulting foals to show people what this stallion will throw.

Some stallions throw to the mare, some Stallions "stamp" themselves onto the foals. These stallions are known as prepotent stallions, and are highly desirable if you are wanting a foal to take after the Stallion.

Also I will not send my mare to someone that doesnt have a clue about breeding horses, or who doesnt have safe facilities.

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Sharaway

When a mare owner is breeding a foal, they usually do it for 2 reasons.

1. They want to keep the foal for themselves, so they are looking for an end result to keep.

2. The foal will be for sale, the mare owner is looking to profit from this breeding.


Mare owner one, is no necessarily going to care about the end worth of the foal, will not argue the stud fee, and wont be counting the cost of raising the foal.

Mare owner two, will be looking at the end worth of the foal as a weanling, so the stud fee, vet fees, cost of raising the foal are all calculated. This owner wants a marketable foal.

One owner will be emotive to deal with, one business like. Or both if your me pmsl.

So you will need some very good people skills along side even better horse skills.

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simbin

Great posts Sil and Sharaway. Personally and I'm not a breeder only breed the occasional horse for myself when looking at horse sites where horses are for sale etc I see a huge amount of youngstock not selling.

IMO I feel that everyone starting out at stud should really have a big think about whether or not there are enough of that particular breed or type of horse already in circulation not just the fact that its been their lifelong desire to have a stud. There are stockies on here that I know breed sensibly and in talking to them have dropped or slowed their breeding programme for next year because they are sensible enough to realise that their babies will probably not sell.

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