your relationship with your vet

Discussion in 'Horse Management' started by Sharaway, Aug 16, 2011.

  1. El_equine

    El_equine Well-known Member

    I have 2 vets for my pony, one is an equine specialisy & the other is our local vet who is just wonderful. I am literally 2km's from the local vet & my pony is situated next door to one of the practice vet nurses, if the local vets aren't able to make a quick stop & double check for me, I load my girl up & take her to the equine vet.

    Not worth taking the risk!

    I too always pay on the day for anything. My OH is self emplyed & I hate the fact I have to send out invoices & re-peat invoices for people who are happy for the work to be done but not happy to part with the $$$
     
  2. Blackbat

    Blackbat Well-known Member

    One thing that gets me calling the vet as soon as a potential problem is noticed, is the dread of ever having to say "If only...".

    To me, every sore tummy is a fatal colic, every wire wound is a bone infection, every squinting eye is a melting ulcer. I have seen too many patients left too long for us to be any help. I never want to know I didn't do everything possible.

    That said, I do set myself up to look an idiot an awful lot. Having a young coloured horse with a brown growth on his eye, I presented him at Oakford in a delerium of panic about losing him to melanoma so young. Dr P waited for me to finish babbling, then took his cotton bud and said 'let's just wipe this linseed husk out of his eye'...
     
  3. beagle

    beagle Well-known Member


    hahahahaha blackbat that's priceless......:D
     
  4. Sharaway

    Sharaway Well-known Member

    Lol Blackbat, that's gold :)
     
  5. Pipsqueak

    Pipsqueak Active Member

    And just to add from a vets point of view if you have a limit on finances please bring it up at the start - don't be embarrassed, we are people just like you!! I too would have trouble coming up with large amounts of $$ in a hurry. Most vets are more than happy to sort out payment plans etc we just want what is best for the animal and you.

    There is nothing worse than people coming up to pick up an animal and then just assuming they can pay a little bit now and the rest later- you can't just pay for half your shopping at the checkout.

    Love that so many of you have such a great relationship with your vets, there is nothing better than having clients that you can share a laugh (and sometimes a cry) with **)
     
  6. GoneRama

    GoneRama Gold Member

    Ok well I don't have a regular vet per se but thanks to Troppo and Sov I now know of a wonderful vet who could well become my regular vet.

    I'm in a little bit of a different situation up here as most of you know with the wet season. I have used 2 different vets in Katherine during the last wet season and both were great and managed to get stuff to an airport to get on a flight coming out to Oenpelli. During the wet I really have no other option other than to ring a vet with as many observations as I can tell them, send photos if need be and they just have to run with that.

    Yes, I'm one of those people who comes on here to seek advice from a vet because for 6 months of the year I can't get my horse to a vet so any advice or things to try is better than nothing. I cannot thank a Stockies vet enough for setting my mind at ease during the last wet season when I found a lump on my horse near his stifle which was only a haematoma but for all the world looked like a potential swamp cancer to me :eek:

    The wet season is only 3-4 months away (although the locals are saying it's going to be an early wet this year) and I am fretting like mad :eek: I don't know when the road is going to be impassable for a horse float, I'm trying not to think about that. I'm starting to stock my vet kit up, albeit a lot better than last wet season. I'll be contacting one of the vets in Katherine and if I can afford it, I'll be getting one of their station kits which is apparently full of a lot of things I'm sure not a lot of people would be able to get for the 'just in case' type things. With this kit I'll be able to ring that vet up with my observations and they'll know what I have on hand and tell me what to administer and how to administer it.

    Sure, this is not as good nor as ideal as having a vet here to tell me about it but it's $2200 return to charter a plane direct from Darwin and then you've got the vet bill to follow...... If it gets to the point that I do have to fly a vet out then I'm afraid HVLT may be the better option :(

    Yep, come the wet season, I'll be putting the annoying 'need a vets advice' threads up, get over it people, be kind and understand that I'm not making excuses and unless you're willing to pay for that flight out here please offer your advice as kindly as you can or don't offer it at all :} It is tough out here during the wet season and I welcome anyone to come for a visit smack bang in the middle of it, preferably when there's a cyclone looming and charter companies are grounded.

    Actually I welcome any visitors during the wet season cos it is rather stunning up here smack bang in the middle of it! Please bring Tim Tams, fresh milk and, depending upon the time of year, a carton of coke if you are coming :D

    Yes, thoroughly agree with the first post in this thread and it is fantastic but, there are exceptions to the rule/ideal and I am one of them. I seriously cannot wait until I move back into civilisation and I really do envy all you mob with a vet within cooee of your horse :eek: The things you do to keep yourself sane (have horses) and get ahead (put up with this job in this location cos it pays well).
     
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  7. beagle

    beagle Well-known Member

    what i'd prob say to most people, is that whilst google is your friend, it is not a provider of a diagnosis.
    mostly, this can only be done by a vet.
    i've got no probs with people getting more informed via internet (encourage it actually) but assuming the horse has a certain prob without getting it confirmed can lead most often to mis-treatment.

    there was a thread recently on warm hooves & the owner suspecting laminitis. this was "confirmed" by her farrier & she treated the horse with bute - which is script only, so where did she get it? then, after only waiting a week on bute, she switched to oral flunixil paste ( i think) , a much stronger anti-inflamm which has a much higher potential for gastric ulceration. again, a script only drug - where from? under whose dose rate & suggestions?
    & again, the only signs were tenderness in the fronts on gravel/hard ground.
    no increased digital pulse, going only on warm hooves (VERY subjective!!!) & a tenderness to the front feet. So this horse was OVER treated, for "mild laminitis", which in my prof opinion was not a likely diagnosis, as not consistent given the signs, clinical history & video of the horse.
    we must be aware folks that some farriers, like some horse "chiros", are simply self taught, with no training at all. they are usually fairly full of their own importance, so if a worried owner suggests some problem, most of these ego-driven fellas will nod sagely & agree, saying, "yep, you got it early" thinking they are stroking OUR egos.
    don't worry, i am not driven to man-hate, i simply have been around a fair few varied specimens, & i can pm anyone the names of the best farriers i know, but just be aware that the ONLY person qualified to diagnose your animal's problem is a vet. pure & simple. if you contact a vet that only does small animals, or is not comfy seeing equines, than ring an equine vet.
    Woki has been in the game for 21 yrs, I've been in for 20, not sure how long Raw Prawn, AnnaE & Cheval have been out for. oops, sorry, & Pipsqueak by the look of it! sorry!
    But we all see varied cases, according to our different geographic regions, & i was quite fascinated with the swamp cancer suggestions for the thread that Milzenzab put up a while ago - so i am always learning something knew also.
    So thanks Sharaway for putting up this thread ( & no, i haven't paid her!!!;)) & please people don't assume google & your previous experience will always lead you down the correct path.
    i enjoy the info that gets exchanged on this forum, but a few times it is incorrect or misleading, or people jump to lots of conclusions, but generally it is great when people can lend their own personal experiences! :))
     
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  8. Sharaway

    Sharaway Well-known Member

    What's that Beagle? The cheques in the mail? Pmsl.

    Gonerama there are always exceptions, your remoteness being one of them, but you have already felt this forums unforgiveness when a few felt you where not doing enough, some Stockies I sweat could write a thesis on Kenoath lol.

    I'm talking about;

    "my dog is vomiting, what should I do?" :........ Call the vet
    "my horse is lying down and looks all sweaty, could it be colic" ...it's a mild day, possibly, here's a tip, Call the vet.
    And the best ones even start with...

    "I can't afford a vet so what do you suggest?"
    A: don't own animals
    B: still call a vet

    Beagle, if you had a wish list of the top 5 things a horse owner should know about their horse, followed by a "kit" of basic every horse owner should have on hand, again top 5 to get you out of 95% of drama until the vet can get there what would you suggest.

    Mine would be top 5 to know about my horse.
    1. Normal temperature
    2. Resting pulse
    3. Normal gum colour and hydration test
    4. Digital pulse points
    5. Last meal/poop/wee

    Should be 6 last tetanus booster also

    Top 5 first aid kit.
    1. Anticeptic betidine
    2. Vet wrap or Elastoplast min 3 rolls
    3. Cotton roll
    4. Thermometer
    5. Scissors

    Add to that wire cutters
     
  9. GoneRama

    GoneRama Gold Member

    To this I provide the following answers.........

    HAHA let them write that thesis, I'd be curious to find out what I don't know about my own horse and indeed myself and my location!

    and

    boy were those threads entertaining! *#)
     
  10. beagle

    beagle Well-known Member

    i'd go with horses :
    heart rate (learn where to take & get familiar with it)
    pulse points
    gut sounds
    temp
    eating/drinking normal or abnormal (note this could be increased or decreased)
    history of feed/paddock etc

    with dogs i'd go:
    eating/drinking normal/not
    wee/poo normal/not
    gum colour (VERY important)
    alertness
    normal demeanor ( eg highly strung poodle vs laid back labrador)

    first aid kit :
    wound dressing ( i reckon cotton wool sucks as it sticks to wounds)
    vet wrap & elastoplast
    scissors
    stethoscope
    thermometer but short ones aren't that good
    antiseptic cream (of sorts, anything really)
    cetrigen spray


    would you like a wine Shaz?:))
     
  11. GoneRama

    GoneRama Gold Member

    LOL can you afford it after writing that cheque for her beagle?!
     
  12. wawa85

    wawa85 Guest

    Great thread Sharaway! I haven't had to use vets much since getting into horses *knock on wood it stays the same!* just Bullsbrook twice and Belvoir once and found them to be very helpful and more than willing to give me as much info as possible.

    You also make a good point about learning the basics of equine first aid and this is admittedly something that I really need to invest more time in.
     
  13. beagle

    beagle Well-known Member

    god, i've just applied for a personal loan for that one GR! sold both our farms, sold my husband's body (didn't get much for that, btw) & still not a big enough amount.
    ordering a case of verve Cliquot right now.....
     
  14. GoneRama

    GoneRama Gold Member

    Blimey, you gonna be able to pay your own vet bill after that?!

    No idea what that wine is that you have ordered but just be a cheap skate and order a big mob o clean skins, bit of a lucky dip then as to whether it's good or not....... apparently, I'm not a wine drinker so can't say, it all tastes like crap to me!
     
  15. Sharaway

    Sharaway Well-known Member

    Wine? only if it has antiseptic qualities for the educational purposes of this thread.

    Ohh the cotton wool stuff I have has a gauze over the top, great for bulk padding or absorbent material in emergencies.

    I work on the stop the flow and pack it up first aid.

    Sort of stack it and pack it until the vet gets to you or you get to the vet.

    As for the ability to euthanize a horse in an emergency, well do have a gun but we don't take it with us on trips as a rule, to big a risk of it getting stolen out the car etc.

    I've yet to meet a vet yet that will issue 3 - 4 surringes or the bottle of "green dream" to an owner "just in case"; I suppose if I was going to take a horse into the middle of no where and I "borrowed" the bottle to be returned if not used back to the vet???

    But jeezz It's a worry if a vet will just hand the stuff out for a trip up the highway, a cop can destroy your horse of required.

    Just thinking out loud on that one.
     
  16. beagle

    beagle Well-known Member

    best thing GR, not having to pay my own vet bills, cos i always undercharge myself! hehehehe.,
    now Verve Cliquot is, imho, the duck's nuts of good champagne, shits all over Moet, but does come a poor second to Dom Perignon.....now, if only i could afford to actually BUY some rather than steal it.....ooops, let that slip didn't i?!!!!!
     
  17. beagle

    beagle Well-known Member

    shudder shudder shaz if any vet should let a client have such a dangerous medication to have on hand.....urk. sueing material methinks.
     
  18. Sharaway

    Sharaway Well-known Member

    Yes it's one thing to have a bottle of Ace around on a big stud, the other quite a bit more hazardous.

    Says me who actually does have enough sedation in my fridge to kill a horse if all administered at once, plus a new vial of penicillin all left over from my last horse drama.

    I really do need to dispose of the sedation mix, but that another pit fall, we tend to keep drugs that have been prescribed for another horse for "just in case".

    I have a "just in case" stash of bute as well.

    Now I am confident and so is my vet that I will only use these under further advise, ie, horse gets injured tonight, I call vet, advise that I still have xyz on hand, vet say ok to use or not.

    But not everyone is that responsible, how many times do we call a friend, have you got any xyz before we call the vet for it?

    Now if you really do love and respect your vet, NEVER pass on or "loan" prescription meds to your mates.
     
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2011
  19. beagle

    beagle Well-known Member

    bit like the vet in Perth who was found guilty of giving ketamine to young boys then committed suicide after he was found out.#(
     
  20. GoneRama

    GoneRama Gold Member

    Well yes, wine does have purpose and place in this thread thank you......... it could well be consumed to calm my nerves next time my horse has a mosquito bite which could turn into the worlds biggest swamp cancer in the blink of an eye. Never discount the value of alcohol in a vet kit for taking the edge off the nerves of a nervous owner.

    Do I need to mention that beer is a traditional (and yes not proven) remedy for colic? ';'
     

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