Wow, I knew the market was bad, but...!

Discussion in 'Horse Management' started by Anna E, Aug 30, 2011.

  1. Anna E

    Anna E Guest

    We brought home from Pony Club some really old issues of "Hoofs and Horns" and "Hoofbeats"..
    From a 1993 issue - horses for sale:
    5 yr old part bred Connemara gelding, 14hh, going under saddle, $2,000
    Wesco Fair Play, 16hh 7years old TB, Showjumper - $2,500
    A Pure bred Arabian filly, 2 years old, by Abha Muacim, out of a daughter of Mustafa: $3,500.
    You'd get the same prices nowadays, and it must cost WAY more to grow one/keep one/train one!! Who'd be a breeder in the noughties??!
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  2. wattle6180

    wattle6180 Gold Member

    Comparatively though....the value would be less now than 1993 :(
  3. Raw Prawn

    Raw Prawn Well-known Member

    Certainly is a buyers market at the moment!

    Unfortunately due to the huge mass of backyard, small scale breeders there is also a huge influx of very low quality horses on the market.

    Even though its easy to buy a cheap horse, its still really difficult to buy a good one.

    If that makes sense!
  4. Anna E

    Anna E Guest

    Yeah that's my point Wattle - the value of the horses hasn't gone up at all... Whereas everything else has.
  5. sunline

    sunline Well-known Member

    RP - but my horse has a uterus, therefore I must breed!

    The racing industry need to look at their practices and people really need to ask why they are breeding, is there a demand for what the breeding would produce. Is it enhancing the genetic gene pool or just peeing in it.

    There was a day when the doggers gave you money for a horse, these days they have so many unwanted horses you have to pay them to take it.

    Horses should be registered like dogs, and breeders should have to have a permit. Too many healthy horses out there get turned into pet meat because they simply are unwanted.
  6. Go the Distance

    Go the Distance Well-known Member

    I also think because of the flooded cheap market there seems to be increased bitching and back biting with breeders. I think it is sometimes sad how the increased pressure on the market brings out people's insecurities causing them to run down a well bred horse or reputable breeder. It is times like this when breeders should band together to promote thier breed positively.

    WA has some fantastic bloodlines and there are some great breeders of good horses. It is a shame that they are not recieving due monetary value for thier horses. However if you equate it to say selling any 'home grown' or 'home made' good you are never going to make enough to cover the total raising, producing cost. For example if I handspin, knit and sell a beanie I make about $40. It takes me twelve hours to make one beanie. It cost me about $10 in raw wool to produce one beanie. So I make $2.50/hour with each beanie. It is fairly simular with breeding horses. Like me with my beanies breeders must do it for the love of it:)).
  7. peppi

    peppi Active Member

    hear hear to this comment...Im appalled at give away TB's over here...infact I still cant get over it...AND how to me alot of them dont even look like TB's more like ugly ponies quite small and nonathletic looking....Just way way to many being produced. Not the prestigious beast they are considered back were I originally come from....
  8. Etonfarmer

    Etonfarmer New Member

  9. Etonfarmer

    Etonfarmer New Member

  10. GoneRama

    GoneRama Gold Member

    Yeah I agree with Sunline about the TB industry.

    I worked on a stud for a few months back in 2009. There was a few mares there with terrible legs, wonky as, now I would be quite happy to accept these were injuries if they're foals were born with straight legs. All these mares passed their wonkiness onto their foals and thus the stud was spending I don't want to know how much on strips and bridges surgery and specialist farriery. Some of these mares were sent to good stallions such as More Than Ready. Fair dinkum, why the hell they were breeding from mares like that is beyond me. It was certainly a stud that bred for quantity and not quality.

    Certainly interesting times in the horse industry at the moment :}
  11. Raw Prawn

    Raw Prawn Well-known Member

    There was a horse for sale on the "other site", 4/5 year old mare, recently broken, unshown, unproven, but decently bred. For less then $1000. She had been on there for a while and had a few price drops. The ad read

    "If not sold in the next few weeks she will be put in foal"

    I was like.....WHAT??!?! You cant sell the horse you have, so youre going to make another one you cant sell???

    Its that attitude that is ruining the breeding industry in WA (cant talk for ES). Breeding has become the "default" last end for a mare if she doesnt do well showing or in competition, if nobody can handle her (read: owners are cr*p riders) or if she cant be sold......
  12. dayna

    dayna Well-known Member

    One the other side of the coin. Some of those so called 'backyard, small scale' breeders may have a good, credentialed mare that they plan on breeding to a credentialed stallion.
    There are alot of larger breeders out there breeding from mares and stallions that have not achieved a thing in thier lifetime apart from spreading thier seed.

    I know what foal I will be buying!!!
  13. Heifer

    Heifer Gold Member

    Yes, because it is easier to breed a horse than to educate it into a valuable riding horse.
  14. Tallarook

    Tallarook Well-known Member

    Totally agree with your comment Anna E! I have a stunning 2 yr old colt, who is most likely going to get the old Chop Chop and sooner rather than later!

    I would like to breed 2 of my mares to him, however now is not the right timing for my family, nor is next season the time for me to have 2 extra mouths to feed with our impending interstate move.

    There is also something else interesting, i know myself parents are bussier, they are working more hours to make the payments and commitments. Gone are the days where we could all hang out down the stables for the whole day playing horses and learning as we go along. I find alot of new people just dont have the hours in the saddle and around horses and more and more are just uncapable of taking on a decent young horse.

    Young horses are struggling to find good homes, where years back we would pick up a 2 yr old from a stud and it would get a great start to saddle life.
  15. Tallarook

    Tallarook Well-known Member

    Another interesting point, i think back in 93 my trims were like $15 dollars, they are now $45 for cash or plus GST.

    My front shoes are $90, back in 93 i think the whole shoe job was like $40-$50.

    The feed bill, chaff was alot less and i remember getting good hay for under $5. Im now paying $9.90 delivered and im lucky i have still got it for that price, alot of you guys are paying well over $10 a bale now!

    The price of properties - lets not even compare, we will be depressed. Yet very similar sale prices - not really worth all the time, effort, costs and skill that goes into producing a decent well prepared weanling/yearling for sale. Then the heartache when you see them out and about going and looking terrible!
  16. Troppo

    Troppo Well-known Member

    I bought a lucerne bale on the weekend......$31 #( The cheapest bale you can get is $12 and its AWFUL hay

    Bag of chaff up here is $32

    Cost of having horses in the Territory is huge and yet I still know so many ppl breeding away to anything with a uterus.
  17. Remaani

    Remaani Guest

    In 1993, i paid $15 for a full trim, $50 for a full set of shoes.
    Clipping (full body, horse), $40.
    Teeth, i "think" were around $50.
    Can't remember chaff prices but i was paying $4 off the farm for quality oaten small squares, round rolls were $70.

    $30 for trim - don't show my horses.
    Clipping i do myself but have paid $100.
    Teeth, pending whom i use, $70 to $120.
    Chaff oaten: $15, Lucerne: $19.
    Small oaten bales, $8, round rolls (same farmer, quality oaten) $60 (delivered).

    So some things have changed alot in prices, others not soo.
  18. Natsky

    Natsky Well-known Member

    I know this is a bit off the subject but the reality is that we are in the middle of a recession. Anyone who argues with this is has their head up their you know what!

    Our government tried to get us to believe us that we had been spared it but we havn't. I work in retail and our profit has been steadily going down for the past 12mths and so have all the retailers next to us.

    People are saving for the first time in ages because we don't know what is "round the corner" so to speak.

    I think the last thing many of us need at the moment is another horse, it is just to bigger an expense :(
  19. Firedance

    Firedance Well-known Member

    Totally agree

    If you think things are bad now - just wait until next year!! Oh goodie...
  20. Etonfarmer

    Etonfarmer New Member

    Its true. There is no money for extra spending out there. People take on too many horses, envolve themselves in a rescue of some sort or help out a friend. Just pasture seed rates have increased on avg $10/kg. Thats just for grass for your horse to eat out of the ground that is composed of decent nutrients.
    Lets not get started on hay.
    The economy will not allow for luxury spending -- to the point where valuation has no place in buying and selling. Sellers are simply willing to get rid of their horse/car etc etc for whatever they're offered. Gone are the days of value adding.
    4 weeks ago I was forced to close my food retail business I had been running tirelessly for 2 years.
    At the end of the day- especially in food, there are more businesses closing currently than there are opening. I've heard it's about a ratio of 4:1

    Food and retail are the two indicators of a struggling economy. When spending and profitability decrease in these sectors everyone had better watch out. Why else would Gerry Harvey (Harvey Norman kingpin) be crying poor in todays economic climate?

    Then we have Wayne Swan standing up saying the world should look to us as inspiration, that we have a great unemployment situation and our people can absorb further tax costs??????
    Well Mr Swan, when I have to close a business to go and work for another struggling small business owner who deals in products subject to a carbon tax -- maybe we'll both end up on the Dole line......together........without our horses......:mad:
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