wound that will not stop pussing...

Discussion in 'Horse Management' started by milzenzab, Aug 11, 2011.

  1. GoneRama

    GoneRama Gold Member

    There's specialist horse cancer vets? :confused: If so then please forward me the number, could be a good one to send photos too in the middle of the wet season if I suspect a swamp cancer on my horse. I am being dead set serious here, I'm fretting something chronic about the up coming wet season :eek:

    Ok so vet will be looking at horsey on Monday. Sounds good and even if you were to ring them and ask them to come out ASAP Monday would probably be the earliest they could come anyway (unless it was a dire horse has sliced its leg open kind of emergency).

    Good luck with it :))
  2. kp

    kp Well-known Member

    No-one is trying to bully you. You have asked for advice and help and that is what is being offered. If this were my horse then I would be very worried about this. There is something not right for a wound to continue like this for 18 weeks. It is obviously not healing. There is a reason why it isn't healing. You need to find that out. If you are happy with your vet then great. But if this vet doesn't biopsy or come up with a different treatment plan I would be getting another opinion. Everyone on here is simply concerned about your horse. Maybe you were lied to about this injury. Shame on those people who did that.
  3. Troppo

    Troppo Well-known Member

    o geez here we go again. everyone getting excited about somebody reaching out for help, and then ramming ideas down their throat....... :eek:

    lets remember its hard to assess tone over a forum.....

    The OP has obviously done the best they can. They have taken the horse to a vet and is following their advice to the letter. And quite obviously has the horse best interests at heart.

    However the OP has asked us why we think the wound is not healing. Swamp cancer is never an easy thing to diagnose - if it is in fact that. It presents itself in a manner of ways, and vets will often try to treat it as a wound etc before going to the extreme of treating a swamp cancer.

    Its coming up 4 weeks, the vet will be looking at it again - they have said that. So how bout instead of getting all hyperactive about it, we just see what milzenarabs vet says with a few more options on the table.
  4. kp

    kp Well-known Member

    I just looked at the photos milzenzab. I have seen similar things to that. Looks nasty, but after biopsy it was easily treated with a series of injections into the wound.
  5. GoneRama

    GoneRama Gold Member

    Well said troppo.
  6. milzenzab

    milzenzab Active Member

    I will the details. She is the only vet I believe the deals in SCC. I take great offense to people telling me to shoot the horse etc. Because the poor mare went 18 weeks maybe more with no treatment. It was suggested that the wound needed time to regenerate. De worm her and get her healthy. That is why I was told if in 4 weeks it has not improved than we take samples. Fairly simple I thought.
  7. Troppo

    Troppo Well-known Member

    Milzenarab - that is our Sharaway ;) never the one for tact haha
    But in all honesty it might not be the only option, but it may have to be an option if you get what I mean, sometimes as animal owners we have to put our hearts aside and make a hard decision for the best of the animal.

    But that is not for any of us to decide. It is up to you and your vet to decide on treatment options for this horse.

    And yes, it makes sense that being such an old wound it would take a bit longer toheal. The key I would be looking for is whether there is any healing at all....even reducement of the wound size in any way. That would suggest treatment is working and the wound is contracting. If it is not, after 4 weeks showing any sign of response, then that would suggest that whatever it is cannot be treated with antibiotics/ topical treatments etc

    Keep us updated!
  8. GoneRama

    GoneRama Gold Member

    Yeah I'm not a big fan of shooting / green dreaming animals either and can understand why you would take offence to it but if it has to be done well then it has to be done. We all hope that this course of action is not required but don't entirely discount the idea.
  9. Sharaway

    Sharaway Well-known Member

    Milz, I've had a think about this, the only product I know that will stick to the wound, keep it moist while being antibacterial/fungal etc is a white zinc based cream called Filta-bac, I have a tube of it here that I will send to you if you pm me your postal address.

    Smear it on thick and let it go to work, you will need to hose off and reapply every day, then prob every second as it heals.

    Even if it is swamp cancer or similar this will still do wonders, I have used it myself on a nasty face wound before.
  10. GoneRama

    GoneRama Gold Member

    Good ole filta bac, been around for as long as I can remember.

    The other thing I've heard rave reviews of is Clovely Cut Cure. Warm it up, pour it on the wound and allow it to set and do it's thing.

    Google it.
  11. Sharaway

    Sharaway Well-known Member

    Yep, it's that good I buy it by the kilo tub lol, every scratch gets plastered in it just as a preventive these days, after having a pinto with white legs that would blow up if so much as a sharp blade of grass looked at her sideways lol.

    Serious Milz, I will post it to you today express, it certainly can't make it worse.
  12. GoneRama

    GoneRama Gold Member

    Yep and the advantage of FiltaBac is that it prevents the wound getting sunburnt as well **)

    ETA: There's another thought :eek: perhaps this wound keeps trying to heal but can't because it keeps getting sunburnt thus the body has two problems to try and heal in the one spot instead of just the one?!
  13. milzenzab

    milzenzab Active Member

    That's ok. I own pet shops. I use it on my badly face horses everyday in summer. Thank you so much for your suggestion. That is what I was after. Just some offers of help from people that might of gone down this path before. Things to try. Some one else suggested Derisal cream. But Filtabac tonight it is.
    Many many thanksxxxxx
  14. Sharaway

    Sharaway Well-known Member

    Milz, don't hate me for my suggestion that you shoot the horse, it's only my opinion of what I would do if I felt I had done all I could.

    Clearly you still have more options yet.

    You will know with in the week if it's working or not, so take a photo tonight, then in a week so you can honestly compare.
  15. EVP

    EVP Gold Member

    I just wished that people would be open and honest in their requests for help and advice. Why is it that so many people (myself included) repeatedly answer posts in good faith only to have half the story told in the first place.

    Clearly there is much more going on with this horse and its past history, and clearly this horse has far bigger health issues than a bloody forum can fix.

    While hearts might be in the right place, sometimes its better to use the head before acting.......I'm not a fan of saving sick horses......it makes people feel good but usually isn't in the best interest of the animal.

    Maybe previous owners knew the diagnosis and the prognosis and made the decision to send the horse where it would have its suffering ended........only to have it extended by well-meaning people?
  16. Remaani

    Remaani Guest

    Curious - so where are the pics/link?

    Edited - found them, WOW! :O
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  17. Exister

    Exister Active Member

    I had a rescued weanling pts on tuesday. Hardest thing i have ever done but i feel so much better now knowing he isnt going to die a long and painful death. Sad thing is that people did it to him... such severe neglect to a baby... he was so malnourished he had deformed legs, and had a fecal parastite count of 4500 (apparently a bad horse is 1000). Skin and bones and feet so long he could hardly walk.
    We wanted to save him but at the end of the day it was cruel to help him.
    RIP little Trevor, i'm sorry we couldnt let you grow old with us xxx
  18. Troppo

    Troppo Well-known Member

    Anna E makes a good point about the wound not being able to heal too.

    I believe she is a vet so worth listening to. Its a difficult issue.

    Milton: Sorry to hear about poor little Trevor, but glad you make the right decision!

    A lot of our horses don't realise how lucky they are being looked after!
  19. milzenzab

    milzenzab Active Member

    Just letting you all know. No cancer. Just a massive infection that had not been knocked on the head with the first drugs. 5 day course. She is now on a new drug and within 4 days. No pus. So good result. The wound could not heal with such a big infection. Her coat was so crap too, even though she was getting everything. And now 4 days in. Her coat is becoming shiny and less manky. The wound is now starting to fill in too,
  20. whitepantheress

    whitepantheress Well-known Member

    Great news!! I am so very pleased it was a persistent infection and not something less treatable :).

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