Worried about poos

Discussion in 'Horse Management' started by wildonrider, May 10, 2012.

  1. wildonrider

    wildonrider New Member

    I have just moved my horse to a new agistment place. I noticed today he had a bit of liquid come out just after he pooped.

    Back story: developed mild laminitis last year. All ok now, sound, diet being watched. On Founderguard, chaff, hay, stabled at night. Jenny Craig paddock during the day.

    A few days prior to being moved to new agistment, I notice poo looked a little softer than usual (mongrel grass started to spring up, even though in a bare paddock), but I did not notice any runny liquid after pooping. Now I have moved my horse, his poo is still pellets, but soft and he does a bit of liquid after the pellets come out. The new jenny craig paddock he is in has a big corner of new grass coming through (thanks to the rain, a lot of it under shade though). Do I get him off this grass? he is not stepping short, pulses are normal. He is a little nervous as everything is so new to him at his agistment place, could it be nerves? Could it be that he water/grass is different to his old place? Or something more sinister due to his previosu history of laminitis. Help! Will ring vet tomorrow for advice...

    Thanks, I just would like to check with fellow stockies about this as i don't know anyone else who has had a laminitic horse...cheers.
     
  2. NaeNae87

    NaeNae87 Well-known Member

    I don't have a laminitic horse, but my boy has cow pats, not poo which are slowly improving thanks to adding a mineral suppliment and giving him a course of probiotics (after having him drenched just incase it was sand). He also moved house.
    It could be stress, it could be change of diet... I would monitor it and if it doesn't improve in a few days or he deteriorates, I would get a vet out to check him. What I am trying with my boy is working for him, but yours may be different. good luck :)
     
  3. Sugar's Mum

    Sugar's Mum Gold Member

    my guys get it with the green grass flush and with a change in diet.

    If I was worried I would give a dose of yoghurt or protexin and some yeast.

    Keep an eye on him but dont be too worried.
     
  4. crave

    crave Well-known Member

    I could write a thesis on poos with what my guy has been through LOL. Yep firstly Id put it down to green flush, new place etc. Try everything suggested, Protexin is great and aslo slowly add Alka Pellets to his diet which helps the hind gut. If no improvement then PM me and I will run through everything Ive gone through...not to alarm you and it probably isnt the same but my guy ended up with GIARDIA after trying to find out what was wrong for 2 years :( . Keep us posted but dont be too alarmed, the huge amount of early rains has seen a lot of horses react differntly to the new grass.
     
  5. crave

    crave Well-known Member

    Oh forgot to add lots of hay, ad lib if possible.
     
  6. Elanda

    Elanda Gold Member

    ^^^^^ what Crave said and if not getting better have a fecal test done. I have just been through something similar and it really needs to be looked into. Good for you for keeping an eye on your horses manure.
     
  7. wildonrider

    wildonrider New Member

    Thanks Crave for this, much appreciated. I went to the stockfeeder to get some Protexin and they suggested I also try sand lube in case he has a bit of sand in his system. I will give all these a try and let you know if there is no improvement. I guess it wont harm him to get my horse off the grass in the jenny craig paddock too.

    Thanks everyone else too for your replies, made me feel better. Such a worrier...
     
  8. redrocket

    redrocket New Member

    Crave, I have a 27 yr old QH who has Cushings. He has never suffered from laminitis. I have had problems with his poos....more so the 'squirting liquid' for some time now, (before the new grass) and his back legs are a constant mess. The poos are generally formed but soft and occasionally sloppy. My vet has regularly drenched him, I am currently using Protexin, he is given Psyllium Husk in his feed regularly and recently I heard about Alka Pellets so gave them a try...introducing less than a handful for a few days, but he seemed to be worse so I panicked and stopped giving him the Alka Pellets :( He has ad-lib hay, and is locked up in his stable overnight (even has his feed bin on carpet to eliminate picking up of sand as much as possible lol !!) It really is getting me down. Any info you can offer would be much appreciated
     
  9. crave

    crave Well-known Member

    Hi Redrocket :) I feel your pain. Firstly I will give you a run down of my probelms and see if they are similar:
    Bought my boy approx 2.5 years ago, when I went to pick him up he had the runs. He was in a paddock rich in clover and it was spring so put it down to that.
    After 2 weeks at home he calmed down , my feed wasnt so rich and I do feed a lot of hay to all my horses.
    For the next 2.5 years his "squirts" for want of a better word, have been on and off. His manures are generally well formed but its the liquid prior to and after his manure that got me worried. I have had to cut all the tail flaps off my rugs it was that continual. My course of action has been as follows:
    Drench, parasite count, feed analysis, ad lib hay, changed to organic, pesticide free hay (very expensive), physillium, protexin, alka pellets, chai seeds (all given at different times and together). His paddocks are rotated, reticulated and manure collected. Taken to 3 vets and all have said he is a picture of health :( and said I would be wasting my time and money if we took BLOODS :(
    Just about at my wits end when I went to a comp and he squirted fluids every 10-15 mins and was groaning in pain. So I gave up on "horse" vets and spoke with a local vet specialising in small animals. We got manure samples and took bloods. Manure came back clear of all parasites but bloods came back with high enzymes in his liver, which made the vet suspicious of some form of bacterial infection. After a lot of research he started treatment for GIARDIA, with 12 tablets of Flagyl ( a human antibiotic)crushed into his feed morning and night for 10 days. After 3 days he was unbelievably better, I have finished the course as of a week ago today and things are still great.
    My vet has stated that Giardia is extremely hard to get rid of and the chance of reinfection is 30-50%. The bacteria is carried in water, rabbit and kangaroo droppings, wild ducks , soils and even some feed. It is extremely common in humans, dogs ,cats and birds but not so common in horses. In saying all this neither of my other two horse have contracted it, nor my dogs....thank god!!! I dont know if your horse has similar symptoms or how long it has been going on for but my advice is keep pushing for answers, you know your horse better than anyone. If he's not right and you are not getting anywhere change vets, do research , take this info to them and demand answers. I wish I had an answer for it earlier so as not to have had such a lovely young animal go through so much pain for so long.
    Lastly I want to add how proud I am of my horse, he has had this infection since he was 4 and had just been broken in, he has preformed brilliantly with me over the last 2.5 years even with the horiible pain he must have been in at times, really an honest boy in every way. He has developed girthyness when saddling and rugging but I hope that that has been a habit formed due to his condition and that it will eventually subside.
    If you have any more questions please ask, I am very happy to help if I can. Best of luck :)
     
  10. crave

    crave Well-known Member

    Forgot to add that when he started the antibiotics his manure changed colour (very dark) and stank....vet said that would be the smell of the bacteria coming out in his manure, yukky but good :) Manure smells as sweet as roses now LOL
     
  11. Paddys girl

    Paddys girl Well-known Member

    could also try switching hay to lucerne hay. Has been known to clear up runny poos if protexin/ alka pellets don't help.
     
  12. redrocket

    redrocket New Member

    O Crave, thank you sooo much for all that information.....it sounds just like what I have been going through (Grande's 'squirts' have also been on and off for a long time...like your horse, before and after his manure and also randomly when he lifts his tail) All my efforts at the various remedies I mentioned haven't cured it. I have heard of Giardia in humans and I was very interested to read that the bacteria is carried in water...we do have a few wild ducks who seem to love visiting the water trough from which he drinks and I am constantly changing the water #( I will definately get bloods and manure samples done this week...with particular emphasis on the Giardia bacteria. I am determined to get to the bottom of this -no pun intended :) I feel so sorry for him as he too is such a sweet boy and this has gone on for long enough now and as frustrating as it is for me it can't be pleasant for him either. I will keep you informed :)
     
  13. crave

    crave Well-known Member

    No worries Red rocket, after my post yesterday I was contact by a very knowledgeable person, a vet ,who has also added a lot of info to this discussion. She was saying that Giardia is actually quite common in horses but very hard to detect. There are also many strains of the bacteria so it makes it even harder. She has been giving me advise for the last 8 months or so on my boy, via PM,s on this site so knows what Ive been going through :(. She has also added that he may have a form of "inflammatory bowel disease" which the Flagyl would have helped with as its an anti-inflammatory as well as an antibiotic. So will kill of a bacteria per se but also helps the pain associated with either the infection or IBD. Just keep talking to your vet and see how you go, my boy is still good as of today.......... and Caroline if you read this......I LOVE YOU and thankyou so much for everything :))
     
  14. hi guys,
    the TuffRock G.I is designed to help with tummy upsets and has helped many a horse with runny poos. its work on increasing the nutrient uptake from the feed their getting and naturally works on the prevention of stress stomach ulcers.
    It relieves gut stress with alkaline action to quickly normalise gut acid.
    Acetic acid stabiliser to assist with stress colic, gently expels unwanted protein, bacteria or toxins within manure to help cool horses and Collagen that helps strengthen stomach linings.
    i have my 7 yr ol and 20 month old QH on it and they look great and hadone them the world of good. it doesnt harm their mucosal linings and can work along side other supplements and medications, in fact works on stablizing tummys after medicaiotns have caused upsets.
    i can email you info sheets if required and their is a number of Stockies already using the G.I and loving it. :))
     
  15. Caroline

    Caroline Well-known Member

    Have you considered old age as the issue?? :confused:

    Many aged horses experience a reduction in digestive efficiency, and often develop a low-grade chronic runny manure. It is thought that a loss of gut absorption or reduced digestive action is the culprit.:(

    See if feeding lots more lucerne chaff helps him.;)
     

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