What's best to put with a late gelded horse

Discussion in 'Problem Horses' started by JessSundo, Jul 21, 2011.

  1. JessSundo

    JessSundo New Member

    I have 6 rising 7 QH I bought 6 months ago he was originally bought by the previous owner as a stud, sired 1 foal but he didn't drop properly and so had to be gelded he was then broken to saddle and they did a a bit of campdrafting with him then sold to me. I would like to get a pony for my daughter but I'm hesitant to get a mare cause he might go riggy and they'll be sharing a paddock. I'm only on 5 acres so they will have to get on.

    He can be quite dominate at times and for the first few months of having
    him he used to fight the gelding next door for his mare... Im just getting this guy settled he is extreamly stubborn at times and smart he knows every evasion in the book to get out of work and were at that stage where he's starting to accept that he's going to work no matter what he does. I don't want to go backwards by getting the wrong kind of horse to put with him... So what do you think gelding or mare (seem to be a lot more mares out there for sale at the moment too).
    Thanks!
     
  2. Caroline

    Caroline Well-known Member

    I dont know know I would have even pursued such a horse knowing what sort of issues they can have??:confused:

    Late cut boys are always going to exhibit dominant primary male traits due to the hormones they once had and the stallion behaviours they develop (which some rarely lose!).:(

    I am sure not sure he will ever make a great paddock mate for a kids pony??

    You could try a dominant gelding but then you could create WW3 and have an injured or even dead horse on your hands. ';'

    Best thing I could suggest is to put him out in a very large paddock for 6 - 12 months with a band of real real bossy broodmares and leave the girls to put him back in his box so to speak! No foals present obviously!:))
     
  3. info on archie

    info on archie Well-known Member

    Have one like this, I don't paddock him next to geldings and he is in with my two dominant mares. Guess what? He's now bottom of the herd :p
     
  4. beagle

    beagle Well-known Member

    just cos he has been gelded late, doesn't mean he will always be associated with stallion behaviour. depends entirely on the manners of the horse during it's upbringing.
    it usually takes a good 4 weeks for testosterone to leave the system completely, so the try to put the horse out with dominant mares is your best bet. they don't take any crap.

    & umm, when you said he hasn't dropped properly, i'd have to assum that when he was gelded, 2 entire testicles were removed regardless? if not you are in a world of trouble!!!
     
  5. Go the Distance

    Go the Distance Well-known Member

    My little QH gelding can be a bit riggy at times. The best combination for him is a really bossy mare. He has met his match with my arab mare:D. He luuuuurrrrrves her but she beats the crap out of him';'. I guess treat 'em mean and keep 'em keen is the way to go.
     
  6. EVP

    EVP Gold Member

    If you've only got 5 acres leave him on his own.
    If you aren't a very confident and experienced horse person send him to a trainer for 6-8 weeks and in the final 2 weeks go and visit the horse and watch the trainer........then let trainer watch you.

    You will need to be very assertive and consistent so that the new "gelding" loves his new bucket carrier and RESPECTS his new boss.
     
  7. GGS

    GGS New Member

    I would have to disagree I have a gelding who was cut at 11 yrs old he is now 15. It took about 6wks for him to become a gelding, he never serves mares or exhibits any stallion traits. He is ridden and competed on by all classes of riders.
    Every horse is different.**)

    I would suggest keeping him seperate for the time being but allow him to still communicate with other horses, don't overfeed, just good quality hay. Give him time to become a gelding.**)
     
  8. HarleyQH

    HarleyQH Well-known Member

    I would have a vet check that he was casterated correctly, if part of the testical was left behind he could be a rig. I have heard of this being done to use as a tease but not fertile, really depends on why and if it was done. Could be a case of snip out with it or it could be a complete behavioural thing that can be managed with dominate mares or a strong dominate human.
    If behavioural and you think he is too much for you sell him on with full disclosure or send him to a trainer.
    Best of luck
     
  9. Jbear123

    Jbear123 Active Member

    Man o man people make stallions or greenly gelding horses out to be evil when they really are not, yes I would agree in some cases it can take time to get them back to natural behaviour but it is solitary life that makes them less sociable once socialised he will be fine.

    I would build a yard out of panels and put him in them and another horse in the paddock around him let them get to know eachother through the panel yard first as you can then assess the behaviours apropriately.

    We purchased a 10yr stallion a few years back and after a few months of owning him decided we would geld him and put him out in a paddock with a mare and he was great he tested the boundaries a bit but the mare put him back in his place several times and within an hr or so they where the best of mates and we never had any problems with him after that with any horses we paddocked him with.

    Riggs can be very bully due to having excessive testostarone so I would definatly recomend putting him in a panel yard within the paddock first, leave him like this for a few days maybe even a week this will allow them to get used to each other in a safe way first, then let him out while you watch them and go from there.

    Unsocialised stallions just don't know how to behave on instinct anymore that is all allow him to work out what is ok and what isn't and you maybe surprised at how good he comes round.

    I am with GG's it won't take long for him to realise he is know longer a stallion a few months and all will be fine .
     
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2011
  10. kp

    kp Well-known Member

    Some stallions will settle with gelding and be fine in with other horses. And others won't. Some stallions will retain too much aggression and be dangerous to themselves and other horses. I have had both. Either way I have always found it best to put them in with a group of broodmares. The more dominant the mares are the better. Just make sure you have a route of escape for him or the others should things not go well.
     
  11. Arnie

    Arnie Gold Member

    My gelding was gelded at Jbear123's a month and a bit ago as a four year old.

    I picked him up two weeks gelded and had him talking to mares and socialising (not paddocked) with other horses no worries.

    Bought him home and he was thrown into the stable right next to my filly and other late gelded shetland gelding and at first arched up but settled pretty quickly.

    I have yet to put him in with another horse, I will have to soon as I want him to share the paddock with my rising two year old filly. So I've got an older mare here who I'll throw into the yard with (6 foot round yard panels) and let themselves sort things out. Luckily I have the use of a stable (made out of the same panels) to let each other chat so I can make sure the initial introduction is ok before I allow them in together.

    I have a feeling he'll probably be absolutly fine! As a young horse I had him paddocked with pregnant mares and geldings and only the last year and a bit was he paddocked on his own.
     
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2011
  12. JessSundo

    JessSundo New Member

    I have to verify this guy was gelded a couple of years ago... And he was definately gelded, lady had to send him to perth to get it done...
     
  13. Elanda

    Elanda Gold Member

    Both my late gelded boys were great in with the girls but got quite defensive with any geldings that came to the fence. They were still "guarding" the girls. But if put in with the geldings with no mares all good as well. Over time both can run with either and only have the normal pecking order squabbles**) Both were gelded at 8yo
     
  14. caitie

    caitie Well-known Member

    My Boy was gelded late and apart from being very playful I can paddock him with any horse. The best thing i did was get him his 'own' mini pony gelding as his companion who wouldnt take his shit! He was later put in with a grumpy old mare who would also put him back in line and now he is fantastic to paddock with all horses :)
     
  15. Scarlet

    Scarlet Well-known Member

    Jess- I would be double checking with the vet who gelded him or vet checked to ensure he isn't a rig (I had a bad experience with one), if he isn't then it's a case of training & behavior modification and time .
     
  16. Pockets

    Pockets Gold Member

    Chloes pony was gelded late when he'd finished his stud duties and hes a real little terd when theres other geldings in the paddock-just mares and hes fine...
     
  17. Brew

    Brew Well-known Member

    Just chopping off the nuts will not stop stallion behavior - it can take months for all the other chemiclals to leave his system. If he has served it can take a hell of a lot longer !!
    Just give him time - if a major drama use bromide !!!!
     
  18. Arnie

    Arnie Gold Member

    I've returned to this thread with interest!

    My bloke has been gelded for some months now. I took interest in how he would behave when paddocked with other horses as he was obviously, as a stallion always paddocked seperate so any social skills he would of lacked.

    Brew is right, there are certain little things he continue'd to do as there became a point where it all just stopped (chemicals left his system) and apart from being I guess a 'bold' horse, stallion traits are out the door. Though he still HATES my husband and if he goes into the paddock to do water he starts pacing the fenceline and will continue to do so for a while after he's left. He's never liked him from day dot and my husband is the biggest softy! I have caught hubby sneaking into his paddock to cuddle and try to get along with him. Hubby reckons if he's so important to me, he may as well try and get along with him.

    When first released he really couldn't care less about any of the horses. He was first put in with a dominant mare and she simply had to pull a face at him and he backed off (as a stallion he was very good to respect mares space) and I now have him in with my rising two year old filly who's only ever shared a paddock with her Mum and a shetland and she's more then happy to turn her bum on him if she wants to be left alone (she's not a face puller!).

    While King is a bully and very much the boss, she isn't all the intimidated by him and they seem to have a respect for each other. They share each others feed and hay without any fighting and its really nice to see him settling. He is very interested in eating her tail with lady smells on it, then ate through her tail saver which required something yucky to be applied.

    I am always however always watching them closely and still handle him with more care then you would a relaxed gelding but have yet to have any issues.

    Here's a short video of them yesterday in the yard. He does give her a little nip on the bum but thats his absolute worst. (at one point she's eating HIS tail!):

    K & K - YouTube
     
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2011
  19. pieapple

    pieapple Guest

    Have one like this, I don't paddock him next to geldings and he is in with my two ascendant mares. Guess what? He's now basal of the assemblage
     
  20. supersezabell

    supersezabell Well-known Member

    Depends on the horse.

    My friends (are on here) have a boy who was a serving stallion for plenty of years before being gelded and becoming a childs/teenagers pony. He has been paddocked with mares and geldings no problem since (allowing for the testosterone to leave of course lol).

    My own was gelded late and is paddock with anything and everything (included recently dropped foals/weaning buddy) no issues and has never showed any interest in anything.

    A friends late cut gelding however... haha he HATES geldings and so can only be safely paddocked with mares and preferably next to them.
     

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