Ok, i need some help and advice, because this is getting silly. I don't think my boy is well, and i'm having a bugger of a time with it all. It's been going on for years, and for years, no one has been able to give me a proper diagnosis or any real help. He has a few problems, but my main concern is that he looks like crap and i think it's something internal. Yesterday i got a call from my agistment saying he wasn't well and was quiet, ate some of his own poo, as well as another horse's poo, and can i come down because we think he has colic. He didn't have colic. Breathing, pulse, temp normal. Pooing, gut sounds. Just quiet. He is brighter today, i even got a few winnies. Now this is a long story, going on for a while now, so i think it's probably best i just go through some symptoms and try to summarise everything. 1) He looks like crap. Pot-belly, ribs showing, sunken at hips/flanks, no topline, sunken in either side of wither, dull-ish coat (shiny, but light and no dapples - he used to be dark chocolate with dapples every year). 2) Feet are good, he's barefoot, but he's almost always tender after a trim. Wasn't this time though. 3) Poos like there's no tomorrow. He's doing 10-12 per night. Lots of bits of hay in the poo, some up to 5-6cm long. All decent sized poos. 4) Cannot put condition on him. But he loosed and gains weight easily. 4) Flies all over him, very sensitive to flies, and they eat him alive. 5) Generally doesn't look 'happy', looks depressed most of the time. 6) Yo-yos on feed. Meaning, i get a feed, he improves (gains condition etc), then weeks later drops back again. Change feed, improves within 2wks, another 2wks later, and he drops again. Change feed, improves, drops again. Honestly, i've been through most pellet feeds out there. He even did this on FFS meal. 6) Soreness. Back, lumbar, top of bum. Moves a hind leg wierdly. Twitches if you run your hand down along where the girth would sit. Girthy/touchy when doing up the girth. 7) He's quite stiff too. 8) Drags both hind feet in trot on the lunge as well as under saddle. But tracks up well in walk and trot. 9) Has sores above the coronet band on both binds which will not heel. 10) Did chew wood/trees. I haven't seen him do this in a while. BUT... - No colic. Never had it all the 8.5yrs i've owned him. No sand in manure. - Eats everything. Not much sets him off (makes him loppy). And he will start and stay there till he finishes, doesn't leave his feed bin. - Drinks - Normal Urine. - All poos always formed, good colour, no scouring (once in a blue moon maybe). - Had bloods done and kidney function was normal, blood count normal. Liver was slightly iffy, but not serious. - does not windsuck. - has been on oats, and did well on them. I really can't tell you much about how he goes under saddle, because he hasn't been ridden in years. He really hasn't been in any kind of work for a long time. If i long rein him every now and then, that's about it. So him dragging his feet is more a case of the muscles not being there and just being out of work. I haven't worked him because of my own health problems. But also with all the stuff with him, i don't want to work him if he's not well. Now, for the things i've done and outcomes. - massage - regardless of how often it's done, no change. - chiro - not much change, and even if there was some, goes back to previous. - saddle fit - teeth - done every 6 months. - wormed every 3 months. - drench + S&T shot annually. Never any sand. - acupuncture - good while needles in, same the next day. - vet x 4 - can't find much wrong. - slippery elm - no change. - Omoguard, chamomile, aloe vera, Yea Sacc earlier this year. After all this, his poos settled and he maintained condition, and wasn't so sunken in. Although it is now clear, that although i've kept up with Yea Sacc that he's been slowly going backwards since. - I spoke to the vet about how he was yesterday and asked if it could be ulcers, was told it's probably the heat. Something is up, and i'm about at the end of my tether now. Could it be ulcers playing up again? Could it be another digestive disorder? And if so, why didn't it show on the bloods? He's stabled at night, i have no choice he's agisted, and yes, he has plenty of hay during the night, and eats everything. He used to leave old season's hay, but is eating every last morsal of this new hay. He's also on 2 hards feed, chaff, lucerne and lupins. Also, Cell Provide, mag and cal supplement, rosehips, Yea Sacc, Tox Defy, salt.