for those of you interested in our journey. Please be polite and no personal attacks thanks. I was so incredibly lucky to recieve as a gift a 4 day workshop with Lou and Jo Francis. They are beautiful people and I left with a heap of info and new ideas. However my Man has a problem with internittant pain. When pain free he walks trots canters both free in the paddock and under saddle, when in pain he paces even just in the paddock We get the pain sorted have a month or so of painfree riding where I get great strides forward in his work and he goes sore again. When not happy he doesn't stride out at the walk, and starts to pace under saddle. then starts trying to rush under saddle. There is no muscle soreness, pain in hoof or anything else but an unhappy horse Have tried pentosan, massage, acupuncture, equine podiatry, stretching and exercises (Trotpoles). With the riding his body shape changed tremendously with muscle building up on his backline changing the sweat patterns on the saddle blanket so he has had a number of saddle changes, including gullet changes, change in saddles changes in the blankets used. Remember this boy hadn't been ridden for 2 years so he has a huge change in his body shape. We got to the stage where we were walking out for around 45 minutes every day and getting some start to trot work without rushing off then I broke my arm and it didn't heal meaning I had nearly 6 months off riding. It was impossible to carry out the massage and exercises while I healed. Without any riding his pain levels increased and he was back to pacing in the paddock and being reluctant to move at any speed. I was unable to massage or give needles so watched him regress simply being in the paddock. The back pain which had been eliminated by my massage was starting to return Called the vet out (New vet in the area with three years experience at an equine hospital which specialises in lameness exams using mri etc. vet said that given all the treatment and the fact the pain kept returning, that a nerve block to hoof did not change the lameness (headbobbing on the right forelimb) and the length of time the pain had been an issue (At a guess a minimum of 4 years now) that it would be very expensive to try to investigate the cause any further and that it would be unlikely to change the outcome so that it would be feasible to put him on bute to remove the pain. That he could live a happy life being on painkillers so a better quality life of perhaps a shorter length. Tried to get the bute down his throat. Not easy with a broken arm even with the more palatable paste. I was starting to explore other possibilities like celery seed, chia seed, devils claw Had the surgery on my arm and when my arm was mobile enough gave him the last of the pentosan. Instead of the 6 ml he has had in the past I used the last of the multidose vial as it was only 8 ml. 2 days later he was hooning in the paddock, screaming around at a flat out gallop although he was still dropping into a pace every now and again. \ Back in the saddle now he is happy walking out and yesterday trotted happily down the road when his paddock mate went to trot past him. No attempt to take off as he has in the past when trotting. Then when back at the paddock and SJ4E and Monty were working happily in the paddock I asked him to just stand still and watch and he got a bit bored and started to paw at the ground with his"tender" hoof. So we are once more on the track of trying to find out what keeps him pain free. Looks like he may need pentosan on a monthly or more basis but if I stop with the other things (Massage by professional, acupuncture etc) then I will be able to keep him comfortable with massage and exercise and afford to give him the pentosan he needs to keep him sound and happy. So it has been a long road so far (Got him around September 2010) and I have certainly spent a huge amount of money on him in treatments and vet bills but I have learnt so much from him and love him dearly. It would have been cheaper to buy a horse then to be given this one but then I would not have gone looking for help with my Man and learnt so much more horsemanship skills then I had in the past. So thank you to his old owner for trusting me with him. He is such a beautiful soul and i love him dearly.