If you are going to quote me, then please quote what I said FULLY. I said that Fred gave him a tap, which is perfectly normal, when asking your horse to walk forward, he turned pig, ignored it and proceeded to continue to walk out over the top of Fred, so he got a harder wallop to walk forward. It was pure disrespect premised on the fact that I would give up if he kept walking over the top of me, which is who he thought was behind him. I also got an equal verbal kick up my backside for allowing him to get away with that behaviour and nagging him instead of telling him. Fred is a fantastic leader and my horse was totally relaxed at his place when I popped in for unexpected visit. I sent my horse to him and asked him to assess whether my horse was scared of floating. He affirmed my suspicion that there was no fear, he was just being rude, as I had allowed him to get away with it. Previous owner had no problems floating him as she again is a fantastic experienced leader. Please do not twist my words to insinuate that Fred is a bully. I never said nor implied that. What Fred is, is an experienced horse person who has helped hundreds of horses overcome behaviourable problems whether rooted in fear or dirt. He is able to assess and implement training methods dependant on what the root of the issue is. He starts horses, retrains those that have been screwed up due to REAL abuse or neglect from humans.