TB breed ettiquette?

Discussion in 'Horse Showing and Events' started by buggalugs, Jun 11, 2008.

  1. buggalugs

    buggalugs Well-known Member


    i was interested in showing my tb in a breed class, was thinking of dragging him to the royal but have never shown him in a breed class, i have run out a couple of horses for friends before (nothing major, this is really new for me) but was wondering if someone could either give me a good overview of ettiquette or point me towards a good website etc. I understand the plaiting etc and hes under lights and we have a few months to bulk him up and make him FAT and MUSCLEY, hes a wonderful solid type, was kinda hoping for some tips and hints for the inhand ring... i know there are certain things to look for in say arab classes or pony classes but the tb type is so broad could someone spread some light on the best way to approach this?

    cheers in advance:)*
  2. morris

    morris Active Member

    I'm certainly no expert (having gone to my first breed show on Sunday), but it does depend on the 'type' the judge likes, and conformation, and movement.
    My biggest mistake was clipping too close to the show- two weeks is not close to long enough for a coat to grow out in a stabled, heavily rugged horse! Most of the horses were beautifully turned out, so it is probably worth employing someone to clip, wash, make up, plait etc (I certainly will- if I can find someone reliable!).
    The workout is very simple. Walk out, trot across, trot back, stand for inspection.
    Outfits varied, but were either smart casual or riding wear, with a dressage whip, gloves and helmet or hat.
    If I knew how to attach photos I would send you one of my mare at the royal show 2 years ago, so you can see how she and her then owner were turned out...I can't find "My pictures" on the options for attaching files!
    Hope this helps!:)
  3. Sherri69

    Sherri69 Well-known Member

    A Thoroughbred breed class should be judged as a race type horse but quite often they are judged as hacks. If I were to judge a horse as a breed section of a show I would be looking for a horse that looks like it could run and win a race. Not a fat large type hack that is grosly overweight (which is what I intend to take to the Royal!! LOL) Horse should have straight true movement with a powerful stride and be keen to run out.
    But my opion only, I like the way Bart Cummings looks for a horse and judges breed shows. Wish he would come to WA to judge one of ours;)
  4. Roe

    Roe Banned

    t/b are not surpose to be fat and bulky. They are not breed or built to carry excess kg. Their body should be balance the neck, back and hip should appear to be of equal length and be well proportioned. The horse's frame should carry his muscle mass well. Too much muscle on a little frame or too little on a big one can cause some problems.

    The eyes should be big and intelligent, not sunken or bulging and not too close together. The nostrils should be big to allow for serious air intake to fuel the body. Ears should be alert, pointing, and moving in all directions. Is the horse alert and aware of what's going on around him, does he appear in control and confident?

    When looking from the side you should see-
    Feet - A horse's hooves must be able to withstand a great deal of pressure. Consider proportion, substance, and size of the hoof. The underside of the hoof should have a round, slightly oval shape with some depth. Some believe that larger feet indicate an aptitude for turf.
    Pasterns - The pastern should be at a 45-degree angle. Its length should be proportionate - too long a pastern could indicate weakness and tendon strain, while if too short it may absorb too much concussion thus stressing the bone structure.
    Ankle - As with the pastern, the ankle joint size should be proportionate to the rest of the leg.
    Cannon Bones - Ideally, the cannon bone should be short, strong and have mass.
    Knee - Bones in and leading to the knee should line up in a balanced manner - not tilting forward ("over at the knee") or back ("back at the knee").
    Shoulder - The shoulder should have the same slope or angle as the pastern. Stride length is largely determined by the shoulder.
    Neck - A horse's neck should be sufficient in scope so as to provide adequate wind for the horse, and be well tied in at the withers, while not being too low or "ewe necked". In short, does the neck fit the rest of the body?
    Head - Nostrils should be of adequate size. The head should be broad enough to permit adequate air passage. Generally, the distance from the back of the jaw to where the head ties into the neck should be about the size of a fist.
    Eyes - The eyes should be big and bright. Look for an "intelligent," keen, alert eye.
    Back - The distance from the withers to top of croup or hips should match the length of the horse's neck from the poll to the withers.
    Hip/Buttocks - The croup or hip should have a gentle slope - not too steep or flat. The gaskin should depict strength.
    Hocks - A horse's hocks should not be straight as a post, nor curved so deeply as to be sickle hocked, or behind the body like a German Shepherd Dog. The horse should be standing balanced and straight.

    When loking at the horse look from the front and the-
    Feet - Look for balanced feet on both sides and symmetry. Avoid misshapen, dished, or cracked feet.
    Cannon Bones - From the front, the cannon bones should appear straight and of the same length.
    Knees - It is best if the knees are set squarely on the top of the cannon bones, not off to one side or another - "offset knees."
    Chest - A horse's chest should be broad, and appear powerful. Narrow chests or slab-sided horses are said to lack power.
    Shoulder - Look for balance and symmetry.

    When looking from the back the -
    Hocks - From the rear, the hocks should appear to point straight at you, and not turn in or out -- "cow hocks."
    Hip/Buttocks - Note that much of the animal's athleticism and power comes from behind. Definition and development are key attributes.
    Front/Rear view - The horse should move straight toward and away from you. Observe whether the horse toes-in or toes-out as it walks.
    Side view - Check for the overstep, meaning do the hind feet reach beyond the front hoof prints? Observe the horse's head. Be certain it does not bob unusually when walking as this may indicate soreness or lameness.
    Walk - Look for a smooth long stride.
  5. Roe

    Roe Banned

    I should mention I do not show ! But I grew up in a family that bred t/b and that is what we always looked for.
  6. Mocha

    Mocha Well-known Member

    So you don't need complete rib coverage?
    I would personally called Bear an ideal weight, he is not 'ribby' as such but a few are slightly visable.
    I was worried about taking him to a breed show as most horses there are lovely and round.
    Here is some photo's. Do you think he is too 'light on' for a breed show? I am concerned. Sorry about the size, photobucket is stupid.

  7. buggalugs

    buggalugs Well-known Member

    thanks so much for that guys, thats pretty much what i was looking for...

    i have been told by several ppl that he could hack successfully but as my main interest is eventing and he'll never be THAT fat **) was thinking that breed classes might be good to have a stab at. well am going to post entries today or tomo, more likely tomo as copies of his rego are at home.

    hope to see some of you there :)*
  8. mirawee

    mirawee Gold Member

    I agree with Justrosie, Mocha. Weight wise he is fine but he does need more muscle (or more weight for "false topline" :p)

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