Standardbred Sports and Pleasure Horse Association-expressions of interested required

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  1. nitemarch

    nitemarch New Member

    Standardbred & part-bred standardbred sporting and pleasure horse association (Australia wide)- expressions of interest in joining. The main aim would be to promote the standardbred (and part-bred) as a sporting horse, and to also sponsor standardbred competition for it's members.Please PM me if interested or email Will only go ahead if we have enough interest. If this does get up and running, it would be Australia-wide not just state/territory specific.

    Should any organisations already operating have any objections/questions or issues please also feel welcome to contact me (privately please) as I do not wish to be stepping on anyone's toes, however I feel an Australia-wide society for both pure and part-breds that could sponsor Standardbred specific competition and promote the breed as a sporting horse would benefit both the breed and owners. This will not be an adoption society as we already have several state/territory specific organisations that are doing an excellent job!

    Membership would be free and registration costs would be kept to a minimum. An online community would also be available (for free) which would include classifieds, forums, training advice and Standardbred links. I am aware that a similar organisation did exist however it appears it is no longer operational (please contact me if my information is not correct!). Thanks for your interest. I have already developed a website template so if anyone wishes to view it also contact me. (I will not post publicly unless this society has enough interest to avoid confusion!)
  2. mirawee

    mirawee Gold Member

    Maybe give send these guys an email: spphawainc

    What you are proposing is already well established in WA and it would probably be good to give them a chance to affiliate with a National group rather than forming a new one over here ;)
  3. Heifer

    Heifer Gold Member

    Why include partbreds? To encourage the breeding of MORE stbred horses, already surplace to requirements? I find that counter-productive.

    What is the main goal of the club? Why are you promoting them? Is it to encourage people to take on retired racehorses as riding horses? If so, partbreds are not retired racehorses.
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  4. citygirl

    citygirl Gold Member

    I had the Vet out today..and she saw this filly and was in augh of her..shes a SB x Part Arabian / Pinto
    and only 3 1/2 months old... So far everyone whos been on my property since this filly arrived on Sunday, cant take their eyes off her... so
    YES my vote is in. **)


  5. Heifer

    Heifer Gold Member

    IF part standardbreds are as good as non-stbred horses, WHY do they need their own special sports/pleasure horse association?

    PURE standardbreds I can understand, I fully support and think is a great idea, but the part thing really boggles my mind...

    photos dont show quality either, it is quality of movement that is the issue with stbreds - lateral walks, pacing, 4-beat-canter, flat paces, lack of ability to collect, lack of ability to engage behind, trailing hocks, difficulty lifting shoulders, lack of rein length. All issues I am very familiar with having trained and competed a stbred!
  6. Arnie

    Arnie Gold Member

    Going very off track....

    Anyway - how would WA benefit if already supported but an association?
  7. Tallarook

    Tallarook Well-known Member

    Totally agree with you Heiffer, sorry i definately dont want to support breeding part Sb horses. There are plenty of the STB horses already struggling to find decent homes.
  8. Heifer

    Heifer Gold Member

    and yep I agree with Arnie - we have a stbred assoc :) better to have 1 strong one that is well supported than 2 with fewer members in each? What would this one offer that the current one does not (if it was offering clinics, training, dressage, jumping etc then perhaps that would be worthwhile).
  9. Leti loves Elmo

    Leti loves Elmo Well-known Member

    Im for partbreds! I have seen some amazing ones and city girl your filly is stunning. Im going to put trix in foal to a non stb in a year or so and I think i would get one hell of a allrounder :)

    But I do think our wa association is good as it is. I would like to hear more though :)*
  10. wattle6180

    wattle6180 Gold Member

    I'm sorry....your horse is purebred what??
  11. Heifer

    Heifer Gold Member

    Are partbreds better than the heaps of "brilliant allrounders" already on the market for less than stud fees? Am yet to see one that doesn't show the stbred traits which make stbreds harder to perform.
  12. wattle6180

    wattle6180 Gold Member

    I also have a lovely Partbred and he is just one of the nicest types of horse I've met :)

    I'd like to see the WA club affiliated with a National Association
  13. nitemarch

    nitemarch New Member

    Hi. To answer your questions regarding why would the association include part breds the answer is that these horses already exist. There are already studs in Australia crossbreeding to produce standardbred sport horses, an example is the arab x standardbred used for endurance. In the TB racing industry there is also a surplus yet TB part-breds are successfully competing. The aim of the association is to encourage and support owners of standardbred horses (both retired and unraced) to do well in a large range of competition. We do not encourage any back yard breeding! It is a society only, not a breeding stud book. We already have the HRA for that!

    Heifer-I do not wish for this post to become a an avenue for people to judge standardbred conformation etc, it was merely to put an idea out there and see if any standy owners are interested in it!

    I do compete in dressage and show jumping on my ex-pacer who does not pace, has a 3 beat canter and does very well (I am a specialised trainer of these horses and I do understand that my horse has an advantage due to his training and I am happy to pass on any advice to owners having difficulty achieving this).

    Owners of standardbreds will understand that they come in all shapes and sizes and each have their own competition suitability, it's up to us as an owner to discover what each horses talents are. Most standardbreds I have worked with have been exceptional jumpers. Heifer sorry to hear that the horse you competed on did not have the conformation suited to the disciplines you wanted to compete in.

    Standardbreds and part bred standies do well in many disciplines outside of racing and this association aims to support them and sponsor competition.

    As for the WA, I am located in regional NSW. It would be fantastic to work alongside any other Standardbred organisations :) This would be australia-wide.
  14. nitemarch

    nitemarch New Member

    "if it was offering clinics, training, dressage, jumping etc then perhaps that would be worthwhile"

    Yes, that is along the lines of what I am hoping to acheive :) Also, this will be Australia wide, not state/territory specific. In the area I live we do not have any standardbred specific competitions etc. Many areas australia wide are the same.
  15. shadowkat

    shadowkat Well-known Member

    Well answered Nitemarch.
    I don't see a problem with a society supporting the OWNERS of a breed (or part breed). There's certainly heaps of other breed societies out there, as well as the colour ones (which I always think are a bit superficial, but that's just me!)
  16. Leti loves Elmo

    Leti loves Elmo Well-known Member

    Why turn everything into something negative?

    Its not just about getting the horse of your dreams. Its also about the experience and joy of breeding your own foal. Its something a lot of people want and do. They all have the right to do it even though there are plenty of horses already out there.
  17. Heifer

    Heifer Gold Member

    Noone has answered my queries

    IF the partbred is so fantastic, yet we can all agree that pure stbreds have difficult conformation/movement, what is the value of including partbreds in stbred comps/clinics? Surely tehy should just be doing open stuff like the TB crosses?

    TB crossing is a different kettle of fish. They are a riding horse to start with, not a harness horse, so they do not come complete with harness horse conformation (which is what makes performance more difficult on a stbred).

    My horse (well one of them) is a pure stbred. he was bred to do harness racing, to pace really fast towing a cart. His conformation reflects this. He is a nice horse, i love him to bits, he did very well in his (short) dressage career but it was bloody hard work because we fought against his conformation. I am ALL FOR associations to provide support and assistance, encouragemetn etc to owners/riders of STANDARDBREDS. It isnt easy. It is a good thing for these horses to have a life after racing.

    But You cannot say in one breath that partbred standardbreds are amazing and term them "WBs" (be they arab, andalusian, freisian) and say just how totally fantastic their conformation and movement is, and then agree that they NEED their own association in order to compete. If they are so great, compete them open. If they dont have the difficulties of a pure standardbred, why should they be treated like one some of the time?

    AND if they DO have the same difficulties as pure standardbreds (which is in my experience the case) WHY should we be encouraging their existance by providing pretty ribbons for their owners/breeders to win, a studbook for them to be included into etc etc.

    At least the pure standardbreds are here regardless, will be bred regardless and thus any horses we can encourage people to train and compete on is a bonus to the greater plight of the standardbred horse. Partbreds are not.

    Nightmarch - thats great that you are campaigning your stbred :) Would love to hear results, see pictures etc :) I always like to hear about stbreds doing well outside the harness world :)
  18. Heifer

    Heifer Gold Member

    yes and plenty of places on trucks to nackers #(
    Do you deny the over-population of horses already?
    Do you deny the low prices horses (except the very well trained or very talented) are fetching?
    I see neglected horses every day. If there wasnt a surplace perhaps that wouldnt be the case.
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  19. ZaZa

    ZaZa Guest

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  20. Gaia

    Gaia Gold Member

    As far as I am aware the Standardbred Pleasure and Performance Horse assoc (SPPHA) does have a branch in each state making it Australia wide? If they don't have one in your state contact SPPHAV and see how you go about setting one up over there:) The do run national high point comps and each state promotes the breed so sounds similar to what your looking to set up.
    Goodluck :)
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