Sorry... Venting..

Discussion in 'Horse Showing and Events' started by Pocket Rocket, Nov 13, 2011.

  1. Pocket Rocket

    Pocket Rocket Well-known Member

    Grrrr This is the main thing i hate about hacking...

    People doing walk trot rings when they are more then capable of canter :}

    Im sorry but how can you have 'pride' and boast about winning in a walk trot ring when you compete C grade soon to be B in eventing!
    ( yes this is a vent at a certain person but i have seen it alot :/ )

    When this person got home she was boasting about winning but would never answer the question 'what ring were you in?' But now that photos are up and having other friends in that class (that had a legit reason to be in there) yeps she was in walk trot. ';'

    When asked why she said 'I havent done hacking since i was a kid'
    or as a joke her answer to me was. 'I wanted to win ;) ' - even if you take it as sarcasm, it is not.

    I just dont get how you could do walk trot when your horse and you as a team are more then capable at cantering in a circle and doing a work out ';'

    Sorry my Vent over :p
  2. Tallarook

    Tallarook Well-known Member

    Agreed! i dont support these walk/trot rings at all. I think they are just another excuse for ribbon giving.

    We all start somewhere, if it is not at ponyclub why not adult riders, get lessons get better and progress along the way.

    If it was my way there would only be an open pony and hack ring, i would be rid of all the unofficial beginner stuff. After running these events at our club it is always these rings which cause pain to the organisers.
  3. Jazzy

    Jazzy New Member

    I have a friend who has done exactly the same thing, and went champion. Nothing wrong with her horses canter, she competes novice dressage and gets good scores, so why not show that in the hack ring?
    I do think that the walk, trot rings are a great idea, for the right riders and horses. I have a standy that has the most shocking canter (if she actually decides to canter and not pace), and I took her out in walk trot rings at shows to get exposure, don't see a problem with it? ';' I know if I was in the w/t/c ring I would have felt incredibly foolish and embarrased :eek:
  4. Ellie

    Ellie Well-known Member

    Think this is very similar to the ex official horses competing unofficially, some have there reasons but know a few who go to clean up the prizes ;)
  5. wattle6180

    wattle6180 Gold Member

    Really don't agree with any of this :)

    I have a lovely horse that I was going to take the Dilutes Hack thingo next weekend for the Walk/Trot. She has a displaced palate which causes her pain at a canter or if she gets agitated/anxious. She displays this pain by humping up at a canter :( She is an absolute angel at walk and trot. I bought her knowing full well that she would not compete at anything more than a walk/trot class (and even those are rare), or maybe beginner western pleasure classes. A lot of people wouldn't have even bought her...but she's awesome for my kid's friends that have never ridden before, or my OH that just wants the odd walk around the roads/estuary.

    I want to show her to promote her breed and their versatility.

    To address your final comment, Scorpio, lots of people just want to "have a go". They like to practise plaiting, makeup, dressing up, getting a few nice photos...or just socialising with their friends with similar interests. Open Classes and Official only, is quite intimidating to new persons. Flipside, Clubs need entries to make events viable. There seem to be more of the "have a go" people than the Professionals/Experts.

    Pocket Rocket, I don't think I've ever seen you vent on this must really have bugged you ;)
  6. Pocket Rocket

    Pocket Rocket Well-known Member

    Im fine with walk trot classes but IMO you should only do them with legit reasons, like yours for example

    Too many of 'mates' do it and grrr

    one said her pony has a 'bad neck' - yet she did her C certificate which involved jumping 75cm and cantering, yet she did not jump over 45cm and still passed because her whole dressage was so good... Now she has about a WB/TB for a decent price tag and guess what she enters in walk trot when asked why she said cause she could..

    It just makes them loo like ribbon grabbers Grrr :D
  7. Fortune

    Fortune New Member

    Yes! Especially when you see horses who've previously won or placed at HOTYs, Royals etc. I can understand people buying nice, educated ponies (but not necessarily National quality horses) for themselves to get some experience on, and downgrading them. But if your horse is working like it still could be competitive in the official ring, you really shouldn't be in Unofficial.

    People competing in walk/trot in double bridles really gets my goat too.

    Ooooh, and PocketRocket, I wonder if your friends are the two same girls I know who did the same things recently
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  8. myyky

    myyky Well-known Member

    Mm.. There is a place for w/t rings definitely, as in Wattle's case (lovely mare she is) and also with standies.. A lot of standies have beautiful walk and trots, but it's not really fair to expect them to compete against the warmbloods and thoroughbreds at canter..

    But it is just rude going out and competing well under your horses ability. That's why some sports have restrictions where you can't compete in that level once you've won a champion. Perhaps even for unofficial hacking this should be true?
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  9. Ellie

    Ellie Well-known Member

    Exactly! This is what I was trying to say but couldnt word it properly haha
  10. Tallarook

    Tallarook Well-known Member

    All of the above gripes you have are all the reasons and more why I don't support it. You will always get people winging, you can never keep them all happy.

    If you buy or get the use of a decent horse your a criminal for doing unofficial, what about people getting a dressage schoolmaster and starting at a lower level ??

    I couldn't recommend a new person highly enough to try and get themselves a decent schoolmaster, so what if it's been a top winner previously, it will only go as good as it's new rider/owner knows how, obviously there will be room for improvement.

    Too hard basket to keep everyone happy, much easier to step into the big ring and get better!
  11. Kiwigirl

    Kiwigirl Well-known Member

    I have competed in walk trot hacking and did well. My horse and I are capable enough to do a resonable prelim dressage test, but I went walk trot hacking for the simple reason that my horse reverts to the typical racehorse, which in my opinion was to dangerous for me and all those around me.

    I wanted to try hacking (didn't enjoy it even with the fat ribbons) but didn't feel safe enough to go walk trot canter.

    I think that there is a place for walk trot rings, but they do attract the pot hunters, which is not good for people who are trying to gain some confidence.
  12. Ellie

    Ellie Well-known Member

    Do agree with you for those reasons, although if there out at 9/10 unofficial hack shows and come home with champion/reserve at nearly all of them(and being said horse is official quality)there is a time you do revise what your out there competing for and when it may be time to move up ;)
  13. Random_Winger

    Random_Winger Well-known Member

    Guess it makes me a bad person because I took my "self retired" official hack to an unofficial day last weekend so I could get a taste for myself WHY he is no longer in the official hack ring. He's won things, competed at Royal etc. I am by no means an official rider..most I've done is a dressage day and Interschools. I did the walk/trot due to time restrictions, I certainly didnt go for the ribbons, if he'd behaved himself, we would have been successful, but he was a right twat and we went home after his bolting efforts in the second class.

    I didn't want to go because of the whole 'official horse competing because unofficial rider'..blah blah...but I went purely for experience...I did get a red ribbon though :p 2nd...out of 2!! Silly horse ruined my rider class for me!!
  14. Ellie

    Ellie Well-known Member

    Not sure if that was aimed at what I posted?
    But I believe your situation/reasoning is a lot different then what was said above..
  15. Random_Winger

    Random_Winger Well-known Member

    I was alighting to a different reason/perspective as to why people who are more than capable of doing the above mentioned, will compete in walk/trot rings.

    That's all :))
  16. Ellie

    Ellie Well-known Member

    Fair enough :)
  17. Random_Winger

    Random_Winger Well-known Member

    is it just me, or is SY morphing into forbidden easy to just "like things" rather than type out a response, that more often than not makes no sense anyway! :p
  18. Salinero

    Salinero Well-known Member

    Sad that people who obviously are well aware that they are 'over qualified' for that ring still goes in it. Shows that they obviously are too scared of the competition on their own level. In my eyes it looks pretty sad.

    Removing the walk-trott ring would surely sort the problem out, but also ruin it for the genuine ones who have genuine reasons not to go in the canter ring. I thought it was there for horses that are not used to that type of sceenery, not just green riders. And on that level I don't think you should have to go and purchase a horse to fit to the competition, you take what you have.
  19. Northern Peregrine

    Northern Peregrine Well-known Member

    I agree that certain people shouldn't do walk/trot when they can canter. I don't do much hacking but have gone in the odd walk/trot even though I can do novice dressage . Reason being is my horse is fine cantering alone in a dressage arena but can get very bolshy and difficult in a group situation because as a teenage strictly -dressage- horse he had never done it before. Having done a few walk/trots and attended ARC and practised in group cantering situations , I can now reasonably confidently canter him in a group. Did my first non-scary canter ring at Wanneroo last week ( I had to withdraw from the last canter ring I tried, due to control issues) and he wasn't a complete pork chop... so won't do walk/trot any more now :) Btw, never did spectacularly well in W/T anyway :)
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  20. Elanda

    Elanda Gold Member

    You dont have to purchase a horse specifically with hacking in mind, but as in all disciplines the "right" one will do better.

    Their are plenty of places to hone cantering on the circle with others...pony club, adult riders etc.

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