Really "uneven" gait

Discussion in 'Training Horses' started by up4thechase, Jul 31, 2008.

  1. up4thechase

    up4thechase Active Member

    Thanks to everyone who has posted. My old boss came out today and I ended up getting him to have a look at my boy and he confirmed the unbalanced theory and has given me an extensive insight into the problem, ways to work with and improve the problem etc not to mention an hours worth of anatomy lesson
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2008
  2. holistichorse

    holistichorse Well-known Member

    uneven

    How do you know he's not sore? Have you had him looked at by anyone? Muscle issues can make a horse uneven without being lame, as can hoof problems and even saddle fit!! :)
     
  3. up4thechase

    up4thechase Active Member

    Cause I have had chiropractor, bowen and most recently deep tissue out to him. His saddle has been fitted to him, its an isobell wirth dressage saddle and he doesn't actually get ridden much just once a week by my instructor. His main work comprises of lunging and walking him in hand. I am just so frustrated with the situation. The next step will be veterinary intervention but we all know what that costs. And if he was sore the general rule is he wouldn't track up which he does.
     
  4. MinninupRoad

    MinninupRoad Well-known Member

    if you mean uneven as in during trot he kind of skips and looks a little lame-ish, then its probably that hes not off your leg enough or balanced. try trotting him on the wrong diagonal and if he trots fine then thats your problem. my horse skips on the right rein if im on the right diagonal due to being an unbalanced horse whos not truely off my right leg. my instructor and i are working through several exercises to sort it out. but meanwhile, no dressage judge has noticed me being on the wrong diagonal yet, so i just trot him on the wrong diagonal in my test, and save the hop skipping and jumping for training at home :)
    but i could be totally wrong in regards to your horsey, hope this helps
     
  5. TB4Me

    TB4Me Well-known Member

    Get the vet already, personally my money would be on mild arthritis.
    If their joints are getting sore, they can be level to trot up, completely fine under chiro, bowen etc, but just don't feel quite 'right' when you ride.
    Sounds like he's a candidate.
     
  6. up4thechase

    up4thechase Active Member

    That is exactly it. We have to use a little bit more outside rein and he goes a bit better in sitting trot also. I will definately try riding on the wrong diagonal tomorrow. I am so relieved you read this. You know exactly where I am coming from. I was really starting to get disheartened with him. If you have any information on the exercises you r trying could you please pass them on I would be so greatful.
     
  7. up4thechase

    up4thechase Active Member

    I spare no expense with my horses I just didn't feel like a vet would be able to help for some reason and if he is just unbalanced as posted how many vets (unless they ride themselves) would have been able to tell me that without going through xrays etc? If I thought he was uncomfortable or in pain in any way I would get a vet without hesitation but I just knew it was something that could be explained without veterinary intervention. I also give all my horses celery seed which helps with lubricating their joints to a small extent.
     
  8. TB4Me

    TB4Me Well-known Member

    X-rays will tell you what is going on in the joints (in terms of bones), but a vet will still be able to rule out other causes of discomfort you might not have thought of. You could be surprised at how a vet can pick up on very slight uneveness, after all, it's their job.
    My horse was completely level to trot up and on the lunge, but he just wasn't quite right - he was a bit reluctant to go forward and felt off around corners, not lame, just like he had a 'hitch' somewhere.
    I didn't particularly want to pay for X-rays on all 4 legs, so the vet did some flexion tests (I know they are controversial) and suggested a course of pentosan. 6 months on and the problem has almost disappeared, it's a big improvement.
    You say that you feel a vet can't help (how do you know this?) but if you spare no expense, you should at least get him vetted to confirm this.
     
  9. MinninupRoad

    MinninupRoad Well-known Member

    tb4me trust me, if it is what my horse does its not actually lameness, its just like a hop in their trot, its from being unbalanced on a particular leg and if it all goes away when up4thechase rides her horse on the wrong diagonal then no vets r needed, just good quality instruction!! but of course ive never ridden or seen the horse, so i could be wrong, but it just sounds like what my boy does!!! and yeh its not soreness or joint problems or anything of the sort, just something that needs to be sorted over time.
    up4thechase it all depends on your horse, id get yourself a super instructor, the last 2 instructors ive had have all picked up on my horses problem immediately, and one of them is probably one of WAs better dressage riders/coaches and said...just ride him on the wrong diagonal in your competitions until it is all sorted. lots of counter flexion helps, leg yielding to get him moving off your leg, into your outside hand, move the hindquarters out as chances are, they probably swing inside too much
    its so hard to explain on a computer haha.
     
  10. SomeoneElse

    SomeoneElse Active Member

    up4thechase: you say you've already gone through a whole list of experts who have been unable to pinpoint the problem for you, or fix it. You also say you spare no expense in caring for your horse. But you seem very reluctant to get out a vet??????

    I'm confused:confused:
     
  11. MinninupRoad

    MinninupRoad Well-known Member

    its too hard to tell without seeing the horse i think
     
  12. up4thechase

    up4thechase Active Member

    Stop attacking me about the vet already. I already have a 400 dollar vet bill for my other horse. They r in top condition and want for nothing. When you know your horse you get a feeling about them. I would know if he was in pain and I have had experts tell me he's not also. He is happy and willing, a horse that was in pain wouldn't be happy and willing. I just posted on here to find someone like Minningup Road who could say hey thats like my horse.
     
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2008
  13. up4thechase

    up4thechase Active Member

    And thanks Minningup. I had my lesson today with my instructor and when I was telling her about the wrong diagonal she actually finished my sentence. She already knew that and said that he does go better when she does that and sitting trot also. She was also interested to know who your instructor was incase she knew her so she could possibly touch base with them. That would be a great help thanx.
     
  14. MinninupRoad

    MinninupRoad Well-known Member

    i really dont want to 'diagnose' your horse up4thechase!!! like i said, i wouldnt have a clue as ive never seen him move, but if the problem eliminates when he is on the wrong diagonal or when youre sit trotting then its not an uneven pace, its not lameness, its not soreness its about balance and being truely off your leg. who is your coach?? in the nicest possible way everrrr, if your instrucor couldnt pick this up straight away its an issue. and if she doesnt know how to fix it, its an issue too. please dont think im being nasty or mean in any way towards your coach, im not at all!!! but its a fairly common type of thing in horses who have trouble with balance, mainly otttbs. altho my horse is the only one i know!!! but its getting better and better everyday with more work, just make sure if youre going to be working on the wrong diagonal that you do alot of counter flexion and bending exercises so that all the muscle and what not develops evenly. ahh i really dont want to sound like a know it all or sound like im saying the completely wrong thing!!! i dont know much :) someone with a bit more experience with the problem might be of better help, im still in the process of learning how to fix it too!!!
     
  15. megz86

    megz86 Well-known Member

    have you had a chat to your farrier about it? My horse has a club foot and while its not even that noticeable its caused his shoulders to be uneven which in turn causes his trot to be uneven. Its not that bad unless hes trotting up and down hills but i can still pick it up from a mile away. Ive had the vet out and the only thing thats been suggested to me is to drop the heel a wee bit on the club foot and raise the heel on the normal one to try and even the shoulders up a bit. Other than that i've been told to do lots of strengthening exercises which at the moment is lungeing coz im preggers and cant ride. Im really hoping to see some improvement once his feet are sorted out coz its going to drive me nuts to have a lopsided horse!

    Next time you see your horse, stand behind him and see if his shoulders are the same, if they're not, im not sure where you live but ive had a really good farrier recommended to me if you want his name just pm me. They can only do so much but it cant hurt to try.

    Good luck!
     
  16. SomeoneElse

    SomeoneElse Active Member

    No one is attacking you about the vet. You posted in a public forum asking for suggestions.

    A vet would probably want to put your horse on bute for a few days (or you could if you have some). If the problem resolves, it's clearly a pain issue. If it doesn't then it's something else (biomechanical, shoeing, tack, riding etc).
     
  17. Stattik

    Stattik Active Member

    I dragged my boy to the vet yesterday, as he was having lameness, hopping unbalanced issues too. He was still very very very willing and happy to be ridden tis why i left it for two weeks because I thought it wasnt too serious as he was trotting out beautifully and if I pushed him a little harder with my leg you couldnt even feel his lameness. I was very wrong, the vet xrayed his rear hind and nothing showed up, so she scanned it and he ended up having a few torn fibres, it was something so slight but he now needs three months off. You cant even tell hes lame but he just does this funny movement in trot. Least I know now that I wont be making it worse by riding him. He had bowen done to him the day before the vet and she couldnt pick much up other than he was a little sore from compensating his pain in his leg. Yeah all up it costed me $300 at the vets but at least I know what he needs now. Its worth a try if all else fails. You could be making it worse in the long run and if something does show up he might need more time off.
    Goodluck.
     

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