breezin do you do websites????? Would like you to start a thread on familiar traits that would be very interesting. Peejay, welcome i definateley can't help you much, but I to have heard from quite a few people the TL's can be a little hot a friend of mine, Wayne who came back from the states briefly was deluged with stuffed up TL to rebreak(!!!) and he told me they were real horsemans horses, they can be pretty broncy I gather, but you know it's all hearsay stuff! Wayne actually started TL and Theo told me he was one of the most natural horses he has seen started under saddle, now let me tell you coming from Theo that's high praise as he is against QH just because he can be!! EVP your gelding sounds like a gem though again it may be what the crosses are. Boo's eclipse , all i asked in the PM was who your stallion was, in your reply you never once stated secrecy was a clause of the contract, I am not a mind reader, i'm sorry if posting was going to make such a problem. And as for saying it was uncommon to use sprint horses in CD breeding, well I am sorry if you took that as rude, but it is not that common!! I mereley asked so perhaps I might learn something remind me not to bother, as you so aptly said "its any wonder people are turning away from these great breeds." No more said the pettiness not the "politics" is ridiculous if you wish to keep having a go at me please PM me so no one else has to listen to this codswallop, this thread has been pleasant and constructive and has had some great turns, I know I have learnt a lot from all who have contributed and i hope it continues so. Just for a bit of todays rubbish went out today with OH and jackeroo and revalored a 230 steers then walked them ten km to their new paddock, it was a little warm and the flies very friendly but nice to be back on a horse! Probably doesn't sound very exciting but after nearly 4 mnths of little to do but watch the rain come down it was great. We are going to recieve around 9000 steers and cull heifers this year so I think I will be on top of the horses by the end of them and needing a bigger truck LOLOL. Perhaps I better get rid of a few more to the point!