Problems that Ex-Racers Have???

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by Caroline, May 16, 2008.

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  1. Caroline

    Caroline Well-known Member

    I dont want this thread to turn into a cat fight OK!! What problems does your horse(s) have if they have raced?? Standardbreds and TBs!!

    Dont mention names please, just situations, issues, problems etc wether it is injuries, feed, training, trialing, barrier loading, racing, jockey methods, re-education etc.

    Any mental, pyschological, feeding or physical issues are most welcome!!

    If you are going to take this thread too personally and get defensive, please dont bother posting. This thread is ment to help folk with horses that display certain racing probs and perhaps how to resolve those issues.**)

    Thanx!!:D :))
     
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  2. Tain

    Tain Well-known Member

    Lol! Hi C... It's a PUBLIC forum mate:)*

    I've had to fix many more issues in backyard bred ponies, bitza's and performance bred horses than I ever had in the many TB's OTT I have trained and rehomed.

    OTTTB's have done and experienced more in a more controlled atmosphere than 90% of any other riding breed..... with far more checks and balances than the pleasure horse or sport hose industries put together;)

    :)) S
     
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  3. Tain

    Tain Well-known Member

    This is Molly, OTT for 1 week and 1 day in these pics....

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    Does she look troubled and issue-ridden to you? BTW this little mare is the norm for me as far as OTT's are concerned I find them usually uncomplicated honest and amenable.... a young horse is a young horse is a young horse, lol!

    Perhaps look into your own lack of ability to understand these horses rather than blaming an industry that enables many of the 'haters' to become horse owners.**)

    :)) S
     
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  4. Shiobhan

    Shiobhan Well-known Member

    I dont have time to reply right now but will be honest in my next reply with the issues I have come across during my time in the racing industry. Like I said in my post I didnt make it to make it all roses and cherries thats for sure its not perfect everyone knows that. But yep later tonight or tomorrow I'll get into what I have come across
     
  5. izzy2512

    izzy2512 Gold Member

    I was going to say there would be plenty of horses that have problems due to being used for hacking, eventing, bush bashing etc. The only thing I could fault about my TB was feet but it only took a few good farrier trims to get them nice again.
    Tain- I've said it before but I love Molly!
     
  6. Tain

    Tain Well-known Member

    Lol! Thanks Izzy, we love her....she's very smoochie too!@) :)*
     
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  7. samm

    samm Gold Member

    Just wanted to say love the browband.Think it looks sooooooo much classier than bling **)(not trying to start ww3,its just what appeals to me).
     
  8. mylittlepony

    mylittlepony Well-known Member

    i havent come across any probs in OTTs that cant be fixed with a bit of time and effort, but some problems that seem to be fairly common are, bolting, biting and floating. a lot of ppl who take TB that have just finished racing, dont realize that leaning forwards means GO, no matter what ur doin wif ur reins!!! i had that problem myself when i first started riding and got my first TB before i was ready. My TB now was an absolute darling when he finished racing, according to sum ppl, ive never seen him put a foot wrong. but a lot of ex racehorses will have major floating issues simply becoz a lot of them have only ever been on a truck and a float is pretty scary when u never seen one before!!!!!!
     
  9. simbin

    simbin Gold Member

    I really believe it all boils down to their temperament to begin with. Working with yearlings helped me see that! I have also had many of the track and yes there have been problems but if I can mention two in particular who were utter fruitloops and yes I blamed it on the industry they had come out of before finding out that they had been taken on after racing by inexperienced horsepeople who had stuffed them up.

    Another interesting tb I had hadnt even been near a track but was virtually unrideable, she just had issues. She was broken in by a reputable pre trainer, put out to grow and never did so was sold to me. She had had no previous mistreatment either, she was virtually just a head case. And that I believe is thoroughbreds and yes I know all of them arent like that lol.
     
  10. Tain

    Tain Well-known Member

    Good points Simbin**)

    C... perhaps a better question would be: What problems must I work through myself in order to successfully train through young horse issues?;)

    :))
     
  11. [Alicia & Ibn]

    [Alicia & Ibn] Active Member

    wow tain I've had my arab for 3 years and i can't get him on the bit (mainly because i'm still learning). those pics just make me want to pick a OTTB right now!!!!!! but i won't because i wouldn't know what to do with it :).....teaching wise.
     
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  12. simbin

    simbin Gold Member

    Just on an interesting note one of my ottb that refused to co-operate with me haha went back to a racing stable as a lead pony and to partner young horses being trained to give them confidence and I have never seen him happier. He is a much calmer and less stressed horse than when I was trying to get him to win ribbons at horse shows.
     
  13. Spider n Toby

    Spider n Toby Gold Member

    Tain - right now you are the most popular person on chat, and you arn't even on it! hehehehehhee Your horse is just gorgeous...


    Caroline, I don't understand why bring out the problems in just ex-racers? All horses from all disiplines may have a problem that people should be given advice on how to fix it. Why just focus on racing?

    May I ask what disipline you do Caroline?

    I'm sorry to say, but I really only see this post as stirring the pot :(
     
  14. simbin

    simbin Gold Member

    Yeah Tain you are so right. Simmo who you know was so difficult to begin with and it wasnt until I learnt I needed to stay relaxed and sort out the way I was riding him that our partnership grew.
     
  15. Caroline

    Caroline Well-known Member

    Hey yeah, we could get into pony club too and all the associated problems there!*#)

    I am pleased that some of you have had success with the ottb's but for every success story there is another side. There are some great trainers out there that start their horses well but after some 10 years in the industry I have seen too many of the not so nice things and the effect on these horses.

    In life, learning occurs through mistakes and successes equally. The idea behind this thread was to share in both of these, not attack each other.

    What has worked for you? What hasn't? That sort of thing.:)*

    I will even go first!:}

    I have had a lovely older gelding who was a gentle giant, almost a beginners horse. He had no mouth and needed to be re-mouthed then he was sweet.

    My partner had a mare who had every problem under the sun, including bad feet, chronic weaver, no mouth etc. Unfixable and unrideable!!! She made a great broodmare.

    My current ottb is a lovely horse, but has a hip injury, no lateral flexion, spooky, undersized hooves etc... He is coming along nicely.

    Anyone else want to share?:D :))
     
  16. Tain

    Tain Well-known Member

    Good solutions mate:)*

    Looks like you don't need any help from us**)

    You rock!;)

    :)) S
     
  17. Jez

    Jez Gold Member

    Pmsl You Rock Tain :)*
     
  18. Shiobhan

    Shiobhan Well-known Member

    I think its fair post IMO. There are problems which are more frequant in the racing industries due to the nature of the game. They can happen in other disciplines but generally not so highly.

    Eg windsucking/crib biting and windsucking on mares from behind. People can argue till the cows come home if horses learn it from each other or if they have a predisposition to it via parentage breeding etc. Can happen in other breeds but is more noted in the racing industry for a sign of ulcers and boredom. For mares wind sucking behind bad conformational shaped behind trying to insert a word without upsetting anyone lol easily fixed with a Caslick operation.

    Stable vices walking & weaving. Again can happen to any bored horse but noticed due to the industry. Brought a gelding from over east who was a weaver but he wasnt a weaver until his work load reach a certain point. If you backed off he would stop. His front joints were shot from the constant weaving so after a race he would ballon out badly. After various joint treatments and 1 other run he was retired as a show hack.

    Currently have a horse and had another who have smashed their hips/capped hips/dropped hip whatever you like to call it. One I got like that the other happened in my care and it was my fault. Left the walk in walk out stable gate open and his come galloping in while we arent there and capped it. Horse is sound and still racing, just walks a little scew if other gates his fine at. Took months to recover and was worried he may never but he did.

    Feet in general no heels either bad shoeing or just flat foot breeding.

    The old treatment of blistering which is banned Im pretty sure but some may still do it in secret. Horrible and painful treatment was once told you can tell if a horse has had it joints treated by the colouring. Be it cortizone by a vet or the blistering version if its done often enough say a bay horse with lack points the black will have some shades of silver/grey flecks through it. Cant be 100% sure on that though as I have seen horses who have never had treatment get flecking/ticking through coats including legs. But its one of the first things i look for when buy anyway.

    Mentally I have head tossers from anxitey issues eg getting excited to go work but not quiet ready and will start tossing head until its allowed to work.

    Common problem I have for the first few weeks when I get eastern state horses is they suffer the oppisite of cluastrphobia (spelling) the one where they are intimidated by open spaces. I generally buy from bigger stables and doubt they would of got to see such open spaces like here. So sometimes the first week of them arriving they just general stand in the one spot in the paddock till they get over the oh my god theres room to move.

    That will do tonight my head hurts. Most of problems I have encounted have been solveable with patience and training. Had a barrier rogue but he was 17.3 with a barrier extention he still didnt fit so he was allowed to panic he just didnt fit. Now a show jumper.
     
  19. Tain

    Tain Well-known Member

    Good points Shio.... but perhaps just a 'Vices, issues and problems... how have you solved yours?' thread would have sufficed, covered more bases and rubbed less people up the wrong way;) .

    :)) Sincerely S
     
  20. morris

    morris Active Member

    Hi
    I probably have the worst combination of green rider, OTTTB!
    She had a lot of issues mostly with anxiety, especially with large groups of horses, and I have found her very unsocialised...she is quite aggressive towards other horses, and very territorial. However she is extremely affectionate and I love her to bits...she calls to me when she hears my car arrive! We have done a lot of socialising activities, we go out almost every weekend, and she is getting better. Her anxiety also manifests as difficulty maintaining weight, with the slightest change in routine resulting in her going straight off her feed. We manage this with a high fat diet with continual access to hay, and thia-mag supplements from BioJohn (which has made a world of difference to her...she is finally able to walk around her paddock unaccompanied without shying).
    She also has the problem with her heels, but regular (monthly) shoeing keeps her feet comfortable.
    Overall I probably wouldn't have another OTTTB, but this is more a reflection on my equestrian skills than an innate fear of ex-racers. My mare is extremely frustrating, as she fluctuates between being just wonderful and being a nervous hyperventilating wreck and back again in a flash. I'm sticking with her because she has had such a hard time in the past, and she's so dependent (and makes a wonderful pet). She does the cutest thing when I take her out to the big paddock to graze- I sit on a crate and study, and she goes about twenty metres, then rushes back, checks I'm still there, and goes back to grazing again. I do fantasise about selling her and buying a more experienced mount, but on the up side, I have learnt a huge amount from having her. I think the comment about the individual horse's temperment being so important is very true- she is a nervous horse, but she's very clever too, and is learning very quickly. I'm hoping that with continued patience and incessant lessons she will settle into a non-racing life.
     
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