Live Export has been halted

Discussion in 'Open Discussions' started by GoneRama, Jun 8, 2011.

  1. GeeJay

    GeeJay Guest

    Well said Lena
    I would like to say this without sounding as if I am harping on. BUT the situation on animal welfare is going to be a disaster we have a small Station in comparison to these cattle producers and I know myself what has to be done to maintain water supply for stock in the dry season and I know myself what happens when vermin isn't controlled and I know myself the misery for animals that get attacked , they have a slow painful death, so is this animal welfare is it Karma or is it shear ignorance of people who have never been out of their comfort sone to understand what this is going to do to Australia.
    These people take a huge pride in what they do they look after their animals and are as angry about what was shown on 4 corners, from my experience for the last 3 years finding your stock dieing with balls and udders bitten off guts hanging out, still alive and I have to shoot them now this happens as long as I come across them, if I don't they die a miserable slow painful DEATH.
    So when these people are forced out WHO is going to stop this inevitable animal welfare disaster?
    People have said the outback and rangelands are just a wasteland well maybe this is what they are going to create now.
    As Jez has said Indonesia is laughing about it, so what has it achieved for animal welfare.
    Sweet F All:(
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  2. Eoroe

    Eoroe Gold Member

    Its times like this - That really puts the hardworking efforts of the intelligent, logical and objective Animal Welfare activists to shame.

    The concept of 'Animal Welfare' gets me in a sense.........I mean....really.

    To the Animal Welfare activists out their who are Human Haters, and behave this way.....Humans are animals too......

    illogical.....smeh.....Its all a 'specieist'.....
  3. Eoroe

    Eoroe Gold Member

    I agree Lena.

    To make overbearing, high risk, highly damaging flash desicions on the wake of Australia's hardest, toughest, and leanest decade in Agricultural Economic stability has got me beat ';' ....... As someone mentioned...


    The fallout from this will destroy lives and families, and has done at a more rapid rate than a Tsunami, Flash Flood, Fire or Earthquake ever will :(

    How quick came one Minister pick up a pen, and announce his proud move with a smirk on his face? :}
  4. Diana

    Diana Gold Member

    This summer I'm tempted to drag a bunch of city slickers around the farm (assuming it doesn't rain...AGAIN) to help us pull the sheep out of the dams!!!

    And how HARD it is to see 10 sheep DEAD just near the dams because they were too hot/dehydrated to find water!!

    And that's 4 hours from Perth. Nothing like the scale or environment further up north! So I imagine the heartache is a thousand times worse up north right now.
  5. GoneRama

    GoneRama Gold Member

    Plenty of water and reasonable feed up this way at the moment Diana but with all these extra cattle hanging around it won't last long :(
  6. Diana

    Diana Gold Member

    That is true. I forget you guys have a wet season!! :)
    Maybe farmers should just cut their losses now and cull off the weaker ones. Which I guess some of them could be doing right now... ';'
  7. GeeJay

    GeeJay Guest

    Ok just a silly thought what would happen if all Pastoralists and Farmers got together and lobbied against mining, what damage it is doing to the environment, underground water and yes animal welfare.
    So we go hand Ms Gillard a signed petition to put an immediate stop and she does well what sought of a who ha would that cause, how many millions would be out of work.
    Food for thought.
  8. GoneRama

    GoneRama Gold Member

    Comes down to priorities.

    Ms Gillard is probably a vegetarian but drives a vehicle so she needs the mining but doesn't need the beef.
  9. Diana

    Diana Gold Member

    Won't happen unless someone gets footage of "Bob" the daisy getting ploughed by a bulldozer..... :rolleyes: with someone saying that the daisy is saying "why is this happening to me..."

    *#) *#) *#)
  10. Eoroe

    Eoroe Gold Member

    hey hey :p....dont tar with the Vego brush....

    Im a vegetarian - but I dont support the way this has been handled ;)
  11. GeeJay

    GeeJay Guest

    Copy of letter sent to Four Corners, long but well worth reading

    Dear Sir,
    I must introduce myself. My name is Scot Braithwaite and my life has basically revolved around live export since I was 10 years old. I was unloading cattle boats in Malaysia at the age of 13. I have worked for all the major cattle companies including as a Head S...tockman in the Northern Territory. I have a degree in economics from the Queensland University and I personally have
    sold more than 1.5 million head of cattle into Indonesia since 1991. I am presently employed as the marketing manager for Wellard rural exports.
    I am writing to you after the Monday program to say that although I abhor the treatment of the animals shown in the video, your one sided approach to the subject and the possible effect of that of a ban on live exports is too big a price to pay for a report based on the evidence of an organization that?s charter is to shut us down. I have the following points to make. I would like to have the same time as those who denigrated my life to show you the other side of our
    industry. To show you what is really going on. In Australia there used to be thing about ?A fair Go?. You have gone with images provided by one person followed up by your investigative journalist who spent a week in Indonesia. Your report makes out that close to 100% of Australian cattle are treated as was shown on TV.

    1 the ship that appears in the footage ?for less than 30 seconds? is a vessel that cost tens of millions of dollars to build. We have had 3 separate media groups sail with this ship and it can in no uncertain terms be described as best in class. The Wellard group has another 3 vessels of the same standard with another 2 being built in China. This is a total investment of 400 million
    dollars to ensure that livestock exports from Australia are undertaken at the utmost levels of cow comfort and animal welfare.

    2 the feedlot that was filmed was given a 10 second view. This feedlot is without a doubt world class. Your viewers should have at least had the opportunity to view large numbers of cattle eating and sleeping comfortably in a fantastic facility. This company has in addition moved to kill all his cattle through stunning system that he has control of. This owner has spent 20 years of his life in the industry, has built his business from nothing, has done all that is required of him from an animal welfare point of view yet your reporter makes no mention of these things.

    3 within A 3 HOUR DRIVE OR a 15 Minute helicopter there are another 3 world class facilities. All three feedlots including the one filmed, are at, or better than, what can be found in Australia.
    The cattle being fed, and the ration being fed, leads to a lot less animal health issues then a similar size operation in Australia.
    One of these facilities is operated and owned by a large Australian pastoral house. They had no mention in your supposed unbiased report. The operation is run by a North Queensland man who, through His absolute dedication to excellence has built a feedlot and slaughtering system that his company, the industry and himself can be very proud of. The system is closed, all the cattle are already killed through their own abattoir. They import 20 to 25000 cattle year. They have been doing this for at least 5 years. Why should they be shut down? For what reason could
    anyone justify closing this operation down, especially without even bothering to look at what goes on.
    4 the other world class feedlots that could have been investigated with a 3 hour ride in the car are owned by a large publicly listed Indonesian company. In all, they have on feed 50,000 cattle and import about 120,000 cattle a year. They have recently built an abattoir( the one that was briefly shown on the program) They built this 2 years ago as they knew that modern methods must come to Indonesia and they were willing to make the investment to make it happen.
    The total investment from these 3 feedlotters alone in infrastructure and stock is over 100 million dollars. Add to that the hundreds of millions that Wellard have recently invested in ships and do you really believe that these people would leave the final product to a murderous bastard with a blunt knife? They not only have tried to ensure the welfare of the animal but have made investments to make the changes all along the chain. These people deserve to have their side of the story heard. If the system is not perfect, and it isn?t, they have the wherewithal
    and the incentive to make it happen in a very short time.

    These 3 importers who have shown a commitment to everything good about animal production, handle 45 % of total imports.
    The other major issue that was not covered was the social responsibility that all feedlotters in Indonesia practice. Their operations are in relatively isolated poor areas; the feedlots provide employment opportunity, advancement through effort, and a market for thousands of tons of feedstuffs grown for the cattle. My understanding is that 8000 people are directly employed by the feedlots and over 1000000 people are reliant on the regular income made from supplying corn silage and other feedstuffs. This is not made up, it is fact. It can be easily checked. I will bet my 1000000 farmers against the 1000000 signatures on the ban order. It is very easy to sit in your comfortable chair and criticize but is it really worth the human cost to ban something that can be fixed and fixed reasonable quickly?
    That is Sumatra.
    In JKT there is the largest privately owned abattoir that kills about 4 to 6000 heads a month. It is a well run facility that has no welfare issues. In addition it was working on getting a stun system in place well before the 4 corners report. No photos from here, yet this is another who has been doing the right thing and who will lose his business if the trade is banned.
    The largest Importer in to Jakarta, has also built a slaughter facility in the past 12 months. It has not been commissioned yet but can be made ready within a month. They also have a private bone to pick with the program. AS was not reported in the show, abattoirs in Indonesia are operated by any number of individual ?Wholesalers?. They control the space and the manpower
    kills their number for the night and then hand over to the next team. In any one night 8 to 10 separate operators can be using the same facility. In the case of the footage of the head slapping the camera panned to the cattle waiting and the tags of AA, Newcastle Waters and his company were made very prominent. Yes, they were there but the team that handled was different to one being filmed. They protest, that their crews are well trained, no head slapping occurs and very large and sharp knives are used to ensure a bloody but quick end. I have no
    reason to doubt them because I have seen a lot of their cattle handled at point of slaughter and their crews are well trained with immediate results. Where can their case be heard?
    I have watched literally thousands of cattle slaughtered in the boxes in Indonesia. Yes there are problems, as there are at every point of slaughter on every type of animal in the world, but 98% of the cattle I watched killed was quick and without fuss. Why is there not one shot of what happens 98% of the time? The shots of outright cruelty are totally unacceptable and the slaughter of cattle is still gruesome and confronting but is not as prevalent as portrayed in your report. Yes it does some times happen but it is the exception not the rule. And we are already
    taking steps to improve the system and we have the ability to ensure all animals are stunned in a very short time.
    Yes there are a couple of operators who in the short term will not be able to handle the new way. But they will be dropped, no commitment to stunning, no supply. No negotiation. There are also a number of operators privately owned who were, to all intents and purposes, doing the right thing. They were asked to supply through the boxes and they have. They will be asked to only supply though a stunning FACILITY and they will. They have far too much invested in the
    whole industry over many years to not do as we ask.
    I am asking for a fair go. You have been expertly manipulated. Hear the actual other side of the story let the Australian public see both sides. I am happy to make all the arrangements. This is too important to let sit with the images you portrayed on Monday without recourse.
  12. Diana

    Diana Gold Member

    Good on him for writing in. I was pleased to read that.
  13. ellechim69

    ellechim69 Guest

    I wonder wether the people who have given up eating meat because of the way the cows were killed have ever looked into how chickens are sorted and killed and this is done by one of the major chicken companies who supplies the chicken fast food shops
  14. Minx

    Minx Active Member

    Ok I know I will be shot down for what Im about to say BUT, its my opinion and I have chosen to not sit on the fence.

    I have just watched the four corners report and I am GLAD that the live export ban has been put in place !!!! I do feel for the farmers who were not aware of these conditions but I would say that from interviews with owners of some of the stations the majority do have knowledge and in the need to make a living, which is understandable, have turned the other cheek. I am not condemning the farmers but they have known for a long time that this day would come and it has needed to due to the obvious fact that the MLA have been grossly incompetent at doing their jobs !!

    The MLA should be held accountable for compensating the farmers due to the levy that they have had to pay per head of cattle which they say amounts to $50/60 million per year which was supposed to go towards stopping the barbaric way in which the cattle are treated but all I heard from the guy in the report was denials and major back-pedalling.

    The scenes in that report were appalling, downright disgusting and unecessary acts of cruelty which no creature should have to endure in this day and age. When are people going to stop hiding behind ignorance ????

    Just because they are "cattle" and are grown as food does not justify this treatment. I just hope that a solution can be found quickly for all concerned ... including the animals.
  15. Arnie

    Arnie Gold Member

    I mostly eat chicken. I researched how they are killed etc out of curiosity although had a fair idea.
    I found a few video's and I must admit, was slightly facinated expecially how their de-feathered :eek:. However found many different ways, and nothing that can really ensure the chicken is 100% unconcious before anything was done to it.

    The next day, stopped in Tammin, bought some of my favourite Rosie's Chicken, half way through got visions and put the wing down and couldn't eat it, felt sick.

    Have had chicken since then but it did turn me vego for a day! I'm not one to eat meat off the bone (hate it!) unless its Rosie's chicken :p, so as long as its off the bone and respembles no part of the chicken I'm ok!

    ....I'm a fussy eater :p.
  16. Eoroe

    Eoroe Gold Member

    And yet you STILL support the industry ??????

    By buying it? THIS is occuring in Australia. THIS is 100% undoubtedly Australian cruelty to animals........

    What tell me - gives you the right to descide that a chicken feels less pain than a cow?

    I really really really dont get it......the thing here is - You KNOW it is produced this way - but yet you condone the product that it produces.....

  17. Arnie

    Arnie Gold Member

    Eoroe - I can not tell where the video's were created so I can not judge them as Australian standards.

    As much research as I put in. Nothing was solid evidence and I trust Australian standards.
  18. Arnie

    Arnie Gold Member

    I eat chicken because I DO NOT like red meat. NOT because how their slaughtered. But since well before I can remember, I have not eaten red meat.

    Two years ago I tried red meat. Ate it once a week for a year and decided again its not my thing and haven't touched it for sometime.
  19. Eoroe

    Eoroe Gold Member

    Im not saying you have to eat a type of meat to say it is A - OKAY or not the way it is slaughtered......but what Im saying is that you were mortified about the cows....yet by your response on here - seem only slightly moved for a day about the welfare of the chicken.

    Point taken on the aussie bit tho :eek: ......I made and ASS (ume) out of myself :p
  20. Anna E

    Anna E Guest

    And yet... you are prepared to accept that the Four Corners footage was fair and unbiased??
    Ah the hypocrisy...
    Let me assure you Arnie it does happen here. and your average broiler chook endures a MUCH worse existence than your average beef cow before death.
    Which is why we eat mount Barker free range chooks.. and buy Eoroe's eggs when ours aren't laying.. and home kill sheep.
    We owe it to the animals we eat (all of us) to ensure they meet the end as humanely as possible.
    "Death is not a welfare issue. Getting there can be".

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