Is he sore or just being naughty?

Discussion in 'Problem Horses' started by Opal, Jan 16, 2012.

  1. Opal

    Opal New Member

    I am trying to help a friend solve a problem she is having with her horse. The problem being he won't let you pick up his near hind. We can pick up all his other legs but when we go to pick up the near hind, he stamps his off hind and then you push his weight off his near hind and he picks it up and just as you have a hold on it, he pulls it away. There is no holding this leg as of course he is much stronger. My friend thought he must be sore as he started doing it for no apparent reason. He has been looked at by a professional which showed no soreness and is not sore under saddle. The horse does have a history of being naughty when having his legs picked up, has he just found a new way to beat us...? But it is only with 1 leg. The horse is not currently in work and he does have a habit of letting his penis out whenever my friend is doing ground work with him and it is not just out but erect! Your advice would be appreciated and if you have had a similiar problem how did you go about solving it. :confused:
     
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  2. Anna E

    Anna E Guest

    He could be having you on... But:
    My horse used to have issues with picking up both hindlimbs. Turned out to be an issue with his poll, contributing to hamstring tightness and soreness resulting in inability to pick his hindlegs up very far! SO just because he's not sore through the back, don't discount pain as an issue...
    Also consider the possibility that the pain is oin his OTHER leg, as when the near hind is off the ground the off hind will have to bear more weight.
    If you're quite sure it's not pain related, there are techniques using leg restraints to teach him he can't win (horse basically ends up arguing with himself) but these are best left to professionals. or you can pick the foot up with a rope instead of your hand, allowing you to stay upright and giving you a better chance of winning the argument. However this is also best done after a lesson from someone who knows exactly what they are doing.
     
  3. Opal

    Opal New Member

    Thank you Anna E for your response. It is a very interesting story regarding the horse being sore in the poll. My friend is now going to look in to getting a second opinion regarding if he is doing it if he is sore.
     
  4. GoneRama

    GoneRama Gold Member

    Get a side on pic of said horsey and let Smash have a look at it **)

    Could be pain, could be having you on, I'd be leaning more towards pain especially if it's just one leg, if it was both back legs I'd be looking at pain AND having you on.
     
  5. equislave

    equislave Well-known Member

    My retiree object to having his offside hind picked up. Farrier trims it without lifting it up too far which he seems comfortable with. He has an old injury on his near hind which makes it uncomfortable for him to bear the extra weight. I agree with the others it sounds pain related as it is only one leg.
     
  6. Pintaloosa

    Pintaloosa Well-known Member

    I agree with the others, it sounds like it might be pain related.
    My gelding was funny about me touching one of his front feet the other day and he kept on snatching it out of my hand. Turned out he has a small infection in his frog. He's back to being a good boy now that it's being taken care of :)
     
  7. TBPA

    TBPA Well-known Member

    Does he back up well? consider looking into EPSM/Shivers inability to hold up hind legs is an early symptom.
     
  8. Claireb

    Claireb Well-known Member

    Legs

    Its rare a horse will be happy picking up 3 legs but not one of them and it be a behavioural thing. The only thing maybe post injury/concerns about the leg. My Waler is a bit more concerned about the leg he injured before Christmas which has since healed.

    Usually a physical problem and like its been already said it might be further away from the actual leg as Anna E said. Could also be a more general problem as the other problem may be related.
     
  9. Last_Hope

    Last_Hope New Member

    Hey had this problem once, he too had a problem with his poll - a BAD headache according to Dean the back doctor. For some reason lifting either of his back legs was causing his headache to worsen, a massage fixed the problem :)
     
  10. Jbear123

    Jbear123 Active Member

    Who and what did the professional who looked at him do to assess his issues? Bowen? Chiro? physio? I have had experience with this in one of my horses and found it to be a Body alignment issue and it was not found until I elimnated contributing factors/ issues.

    I tried Bowen first which was superficial and found slight stiffness but no soreness so I tried the vet with Flexion testing found stiffness again but no real reactive soreness until his leg was lifted so I got KK chiropractics out ( PM for name and number ) and he found it to be a pelvic joint issue and poll out how the horse came to being this way is beyond me but chiropractic resolved it and I haven't had an issues since.
     
  11. Lallround

    Lallround New Member

    I new a colt that had the same issues with picking up one hind leg then he would later swap to having an issue with the other hind randomly......he would also get an errection when this was going on...as it turned out he had some lower back pain from a hernia he had previously which resulted in the errections and hind leg issues......some big old vet bills later and he came right
     
  12. Sikorsky76

    Sikorsky76 New Member

    Is your horse walking around picking up that back leg to do so? Is he lame in the back leg at a walk, trot , canter when lunged.
    If horse can do all of these things then he is being a piglet. Even if he is sore through the back he would be able to pick up his leg for you.
    Or he wouldn't be able to walk.
    Go back to ground manners or consult a trainer.
     
  13. Blackbat

    Blackbat Well-known Member

    Using the limb through it's normal range of motion is different to holding it up in an unnatural position, for a long time, balancing on three legs. Horses have long memories and an expectation of pain can influence a reluctance to lift up a foot. Yes, work on improving behaviour, but keep in mind it might stem from a real physical problem, past or present.
     
  14. JustJam

    JustJam Well-known Member

    (Just realised that I think I'm stalking Blackbat - funny feeling I've been doing it for years lol :eek: :D)
     
  15. Sikorsky76

    Sikorsky76 New Member

    Picking up the leg is still within range of movement, as long as you don't reef it up onto your hip to check the horses hoof, and the horse has been checked by a professional it is a hard one to judge.
    I would get the Farrier out to check it, they deal with naughty horses all of the time he/she would be able to tell you if it is a injury or manners issue.
    Good luck keep us posted.
     
  16. Deb2

    Deb2 Guest

    This thread is nine months old. I hope the horse is not still sore.*#)
     

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