Sorry I meant they just thought it had a withholding period same as HCF did. EVP for christ sake..you are over state from were your horses are being trained you have NO IDEA what is going on there stop acting like you do. He is rough as guts and he's very proud of it. There is 3 of us on here that know him and say the say thing about him.. About 90% of the harness industry Australia wide must be unprofessional then..Unfortunatley the rules are broken and they always will be. He has a very unusual system but yes he wins races. He admitted he doesnt wash them on the documentry... He wins because they are fit. Fitter then any other horses in Vic. They are WA fit. Yes there is a difference.