EVP Im not trying to cause trouble but I do believe it is the same trainer for he the only one in victoria that trains like that and has 2 daughters that train. I do know this as fact for I have shared one of his owners when I was over there. We have even shared the horses. Will not use names for don't what anyone losing business. He still get winners and trains some very nice horses. For example owner brought one from NZ we started it for other guy had no room. Won 3 race from 3 starts went to other trainer. Didn't win or place in number of starts. Come back 6 months later ASPCA case. Took months to fix we started racing again won 5 and place 6 times in 15 starts.