Colloidal Silver

Discussion in 'Feeding Horses' started by HalcyonStables, Nov 27, 2007.

  1. Who knows much about it? Anyone recommend a dosage for horses?
     
  2. Seahorse

    Seahorse Well-known Member

    Do a quick search of the forums, this has come up a couple of times :)
     
  3. Valiente Blanco

    Valiente Blanco Well-known Member

    Hi there,
    I am a real big fan of colloidal silver and have used it many times. It does suffucate single cell organism (bacteria and fungus) and therefore these bacteria cannot get immune against it - unlike antibiotics. The dosage for a average size horse given internally to address fungus and bacteria is approx 30 - 40 mil (depends how much you spill ;) ). It has to be surringed directly into the mouth as otherwise it looses its effect! As it kills the good and the bad bacteria so you will have to put friendly bacteria back as otherwise your problem will be back in no time. You will have to do it over a minimum period of at least 3-5 days. Externally sprayed on it does the same, it kills bacteria and therefore good to spray on open wounds - and it doesen't sting. You can also spray it on ulcers in the eye - I know it sounds horrible and your horse probably won't like it but if you have worked your horse on being relaxed when you spray it shouldn't be too bad.
    Absolutly great stuff - of course I got it too in my shop :) and you can buy it in many pharmcies or health food stores. Antibiotics have there place and so has colloidal silver - big fan here!**) **)
     
  4. Valiente Blanco

    Valiente Blanco Well-known Member

    **) yep, thats what I do! I give it after I have finished CS - as otherwise you kill the friendlies again with the CS. I start of 2-3 days in a row protexin and then every 3 day and then maybe once or twice a week to encourage the gut flora. Every now and then protexin I believe doesn't harm them at all but you don't want them to depend on it all the time, it gets costly. But particularly after worming, before events etc (as well race horses) it could calm them down too. It is like inner health for the horse.
    Oh, forgot to say you need to give CS twice a day.
     
  5. Caroline

    Caroline Well-known Member

    I have never heard that you need to reintroduce good bacteria after using CS?? CS only attacks infectious/foreign organisms; that is why it has less side affects than ABs.

    I would not be recommending anyone sprays anything into an ulcerated eye either, as blindness can happen so easily with damaged or infected eyes. Consult a vet first, and only use what is prescribed!!!

    CS is fine to add to drinking water or mixed in feeds. Up to 50ml daily is fine, but I would only use it periodically for 2 - 3 weeks. Eg.- sickness, poor immune system, EI supp. etc.
     
  6. Valiente Blanco

    Valiente Blanco Well-known Member

    I disagree there Caroline, it is very important to introduce friendly bacteria after using CS as it kills the good and the bad and therefore the good need to be put back again. It is like when people take antibiotics, it is recommended to take inner health.
    As putting CS in drinking water or feed doesn't do anything. Most CS you get has 25ppm, meaning particles per million - when you put it into the water you got basically got nothing left.
    As ulcers in the eye, I agree, you consult a vet first, it probably is said to much to recommend to take it into your hands without asking a proffessional. I have used it many times on my horses on open wounds, let it dry and then put the appropriate cream or whatever to encourage the healing process.
    I have had brilliant results with colloidal silver, and not only with my horses and family but with many clients. **)
     
  7. Maree4

    Maree4 Gold Member

  8. Valiente Blanco

    Valiente Blanco Well-known Member

    Thanks Maree, thats the one. Sutton's and Pierson's is the same one, same manufacturer, just different name and price. **)
     
  9. Caroline

    Caroline Well-known Member

    Thanks Maree!! Some great background info, but I could not find anywhere "good bacteria must be reintroduced after a course of CS" stated on the site???
     
  10. Maree4

    Maree4 Gold Member

    I just spoke to mum who is freinds with the people who made it and you DO NOT have to replace good bacteria. Colloidal silver is the only antibiotic that doesn't kill off the good bacteria, you can not feed or use too much, it can be used safely internally or externally.
     
  11. pso

    pso Gold Member

    I've never heard of the need to reintroduce gut flora either??:confused:
    I had understood CS has a probiotic effect not an antibiotic effect, so gut flora arent affected?
    But its always good to learn new things! Will mention that to friend who uses it regularly! Thanks!:)*

    Thanks for clearing that up Maree4!
     
  12. Valiente Blanco

    Valiente Blanco Well-known Member

    ok, the reason I know about the friendly bacteria needing to be put back again is that I am working with a qualified Naturopath in Germany who has made it clear to me that if you do not put friendly bacteria back the eg. fungus will be back in no time as the friendlies help the gut flora to cope with bacteria or fungus or virus when they are balanced. So if that is not balanced, not enough friendlies, the bad ones can spread easily. As colloidal silver suffocates single organism - it doesn't distinguis between good and bad! Different to Antibiotic, which attacks certain kinds. So I do believe it is imperative. **)
     
  13. Caroline

    Caroline Well-known Member

    I am sure if that fact was correct, Suttons would have stated that on their web site??

    Why would you bother taking CS if it had the same side affects as taking ABs???
     
  14. Valiente Blanco

    Valiente Blanco Well-known Member

    I don't know why they don't state this on their website, it might be worth putting the question to them. I don't think it has the same side effects as antibiotics as it works in a totally different way. There are so many different kind of antibiotics and I am not familiar with all their side effects. And it is said that all these viruses and bacteria etc are getting immune against the antibiotics and therefore they need to keep developing new ones to keep on top of it. Thats the good thing about CS, bacteria simply cannot get immune against them, sufficating is sufficating, bad news for the bad ones. I think if putting the friendly bacteria back in again is the only side effect than thats great. For me its all about balance. To me it seems to make sense.
     
  15. TB4Me

    TB4Me Well-known Member

    while the effectiveness (or not) of CS could be debated, there is no compound on earth that can distinguish between bacterial types unless they are antibiotic resistant, or you start using compounds targeting specific cellular receptors, which CS definitely doesn't do.
    Assuming it actually works, (there is NO scientific proof that CS works when taken orally, topically as a wound dressing it can do) CS IS AN ANTIBIOTIC. It doesn't distinguish between bacterial types. If you must feed it, it would be a good idea to use Protexin etc. The side-effects you get from antibiotics are because a) you're allergic or b) antibiotics knock out 'good' bacteria as well. Thats why you don't take antibiotics all the time! Unless you/your horse has an active infection, their immune system is fine and does not need 'boosting'!
    I know this product has a lot of devotees, but the following are scientific facts:
    There's no proof that CS does anything useful when taken orally, in fact it can be toxic.
    It is an enzyme inhibitor, so it doesn't distinguish between bacterial types.
    It won't affect viruses.
    Taking ANY kind of antibiotic routinely is a very bad idea.
    I don't want to offend anyone but there is a heap of misinformation out there.
     
  16. TB4Me

    TB4Me Well-known Member

    'Colloidal silver is the only antibiotic that doesn't kill off the good bacteria, you can not feed or use too much, it can be used safely internally or externally.'
    I'm sorry but that's flat-out wrong. Look up argyria. And again, there is NO antibiotic, natural or otherwise, which can distinguish between good and bad bacteria.
     
  17. Valiente Blanco

    Valiente Blanco Well-known Member

    I don't think this is to offend anyone, I don't want to offend anyone either and opions will differ. I think it is great thread and nobody should be offended.
    I agree that antibiotics - which CS is - should not be taken over a longer time of period and constantly just like the 'conventional antibiotic - balance is needed. It is unfortunate in my opinion that there is not more prooven research easaly accessible but that doesn't mean to me it doesn't work. There are millions and billions of dollars invested in the research of pharmaceutical products backed up by the industry, I don't think they are interested in not selling their product - colloidal silver is a simply cost effective way. I do believe, that there is a place for 'conventional' antibiotics eg sergury or severe cases where a high dose is just necessary, where the dosage of CS is just not effective enough.
     
  18. Wendy

    Wendy Well-known Member

    Colloidal Silver Generator

    I use quite a lot of CS and have considered purchasing a generator. Does anyone have any experience with them?
     
  19. Valiente Blanco

    Valiente Blanco Well-known Member

    Hi Wendy, you can have mine. I have purchased one and don't use it simply because I find it too time consuming. If you need it every now and then and have a good hand getting it wright than I think thats great. For the first batch you make you have to check hourly over 6 or eight hours and wipe the silver sticks carefully without losing the silver particles in the destilled water. I know people who do that. I just don't have the time and patients for it and you have to be carefull, when the water turns brown - toss it away.
     
  20. Antyk

    Antyk Well-known Member

    I have the Allan Suttons information booklets here for Colloidal silver so if anyone whats one just PM me your details and I will put them in the post.
     

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