Discussion in 'Colour Questions' started by rachelm, Mar 24, 2012.

  1. rachelm

    rachelm New Member

    This foal is from 2 normal coloured chestnuts. Has anyone had a foal a similar colour and what adult colour did it look?

    Last edited: Mar 24, 2012
  2. kiraSpark

    kiraSpark Gold Member

    A foal from 2 chestnuts can only be a chestnut. It can't possibly be another colour.
  3. rachelm

    rachelm New Member

    Yes, I get that :) Sorry I should've asked 'What adult shade of chestnut did it go' (as in what colour did it look like, not what it genetically is). This foal for example doesn't look chestnut.
  4. wattle6180

    wattle6180 Gold Member

    It's hard to say what colour it is with a wet photo. Have a look at it's eyelashes.....that will be a good indicator :)
  5. foxleigh stud

    foxleigh stud Active Member

    DNA test maybe? ';'
  6. rachelm

    rachelm New Member

    We've had a lot of rain the last few weeks, such a pain! His mum in the foreground is just as wet, though. His eyes are dark, even the whites are chocolately. I'm almost tempted to have a dna test to see if they used the right stallion lol. I'm just surprised as to how he's this colour and if he may end up a normal chestnut as an adult?
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2012
  7. citygirl

    citygirl Gold Member

    mmm he looks like hes got black points... I'd be getting DNA testing done for sure.. oh and discretely get some mane or tail hairs from the Sire {??} aswell ;)

    looking forward to the results

  8. rachelm

    rachelm New Member

    I know, right? His legs have turned really black. If it's dry tomorrow I'll take a pic of his legs. If he's not a chestnut, then his sire must be wrong. The mare has had an earlier foal who was a normal chestnut, and never went this colour.
  9. samm

    samm Gold Member

    Chestnut to Chestnut can only produce chestnut however the shade of chestnut can vary greatly.This foal may indeed be whats known as a black liver chestnut which is the darkest shade of chestnut possible.Google a horse called Cherokee Mecca,he was a black liver chestnut.Liver chestnuts are thought to carry a sty(sooty) gene which gives them the depth of coat.
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2012
  10. rachelm

    rachelm New Member

    But can you get a black live chestnut from 2 regular colour chestnuts? Wouldn't that be unlikely? If anyone had a weanling similar colour that did grow up to be chestnut that would be reassuring . Anyone know one?
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2012
  11. samm

    samm Gold Member

    Yes you can as even though phenotypically the horse isn't dark itself ,genetically it's carrying the gene to produce it.

    Cherokee Mecca

    Cherox Iqtamma

    Both Black liver chestnuts.
  12. We have bred this mare: in western world they are also known as "tostados", you'd swear you are looking at a bay horse then realise there are no black points. The mane and tail are nearly black.


    The sire of this mare is also a tostado, all the rest of his red based progeny was normal chestnuts.

    her filly foal was a "normal" chestnut but with heaps of presence!:p

    I am pretty sure that there is no difference between a liver and a red chestnut horse genotypes, I remeber reading about it in one of the books on color genetics.:)))
  13. samm

    samm Gold Member

    The base gene is red,the difference is in the modifier.Just as a chestnut can carry the modifier for flaxen ,the liver can carry the modifier sty gene.
    Base though is the red gene.Theres only two colour genes red and black,everything else is a modifier.:)*
  14. rachelm

    rachelm New Member

    That's interesting re a chestnut may have a predisposition without showing it in it's own colour. That may be whats happened. Thank you for the pics too, those horses are unusual but lovely.

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