Aerial Culling in WA

Discussion in 'News Items' started by Smiley n Me, Aug 29, 2008.

  1. PPH

    PPH Guest

    Sorry flick but these ppl who wan't the numbers controlled, are the aboriginal elders of the area. Unfortunatley, the remotenss of the area and the costs would have to end up in the thousands after you take in capture, transport education, worming,hoof care etc. When you can buy a registerd performed horse for a 3 to 4 grand it just doesn't pay. If your that serios, I know a station owner with stock going back to the original horses there, with weanlings and yearlings at foot. But it's a hell of a long way.
  2. Valiente Blanco

    Valiente Blanco Well-known Member

  3. primrosecourt

    primrosecourt Well-known Member

    Ok well I dont quite understand if it is the only way to cull these horses then why has Arieal Culling been banned in many other states?
    Surely they have come up with other solutions and more humaine ways of culling instead .....cant WA follow suit?

    I agree that if it is such a problem then they do needed to be culled but just like killing any animal, there are ways and means of doing it and to me this isnt one of them (not for the 21st centuary anyway).I think we all have to be resonsible of ending another life in as little pain and cruelty as possibly.After all we choose to put these horses here in the first place so its up to us to end it humanily.

    I am not a 'do gooder' but I have respect/value for all life and especially life that has not asked to born.If something needs to be put down/culled/butchered etc then thats ok but it needs to be done in a responsible and ethical way,not barbaric which I feel this is verging on.
  4. Clerrt

    Clerrt Well-known Member

    The sad thing is that if people managed their stock appropriately, there wouldn't be a need for any form of culling..................people should really start thinking about the consequences of their actions.

    There are positives and negatives with ariel culling, you can just look back through the posts and see examples of them.

    But can you deny that this isn't 100% effective and we know that some animals are left to suffer a prolonged death, or live on with injuries.

    I understand that this is probably the best system we have at the moment, but in the future I'm sure we will come up with better.
  5. Sharaway

    Sharaway Guest

    The problem is that the culling doesnt go far enough, they should be clearing the areas of ALL the horses not just thining them out, thining them out only allows the others to still breed, and just means that the shooters will have to back at some point in the future to do it all again.

    If you have to cull, do the job once, do it right, get them all, and then you dont have to come back again and again running the rest of the heard ragged in the process.
  6. wattle6180

    wattle6180 Gold Member

    Aerial culling may very well be in the best interests of the animals but surely a ground crew should be employed? Some animals can be shot with a non-fatal bullet and suffer a long, agonising death. A ground should be enagaged to destroy all animals that have not received a fatal shot (also all foals of such - sorry but they would otherwise starve to death).

    I've been trying to get such celebs as Nicole Kidman enagaged in the wild brumby plight as there actually is a Kidman heritage Listed lineage of brumbies out fo the stations of Sir Sidney Kidman who donated crops, planes, cloth, horses and other services to WWI

    To all Stockies...look into this and put your money where your mouth is and become members of OHHAWA or WildHorsesKimberley so that these specialists can carry on THEIR valuable work - membership IS tax deductable!
  7. Trojane

    Trojane Well-known Member

    Agree completely - but HOW? is the question. Be nice if they imploded on contact with cane toads.

    I know there is something in doing your bit to make the world a better place, but please explain how catching 20 brumbies - or even 1,000 - and selling them in Perth is going to help with a feral horse population estimated at 300,000?
  8. Sharaway

    Sharaway Guest

    Then add Donkeys and Camels to that, there is enough Pet Meat roaming the out back to feed all of our pets for the next 1000 years lol

    My uncle used to own a pet food company in the NT and was contracted to clear feral’s from pastoral land, and by clear, its remove every last one of them.

    It can be done, it involves ground and air coverage, you have to fence of the water sources or temporarily poison the water, you have to do it at the peak of the dry season.

    He was able to clear out the camels, donkeys and horses.

    On this one property it took 3 seasons to clear them all for the shear numbers involved.
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  9. Sharaway

    Sharaway Guest

    Horses, camels and donkeys are not and never will be a native animal they are an introduced animal and are destructive and right up there with cane toads and starlings.

    They are not a “special breed”, they should not be preserved unless they are being run on privately owned land and managed correctly, with colts culled out and new blood introduced to the heard every so often.

    Other wise you end up with some of the ugliest horses you have ever seen.

    These horses roaming the countryside are a man made problem, man has to fix that problem, the sad truth is that there are no homes for the vast majority of these horses.

    Horses are already over bred in this country in the race horse industry let alone the pleasure industry.

    Killing these horses as humanely as possible is the ONLY viable and realistic solution.
  10. Trojane

    Trojane Well-known Member

    Impressive Sharaway - a case of where there's a will I guess.

    Makes the occasional "thinning out" operation virtually pointless.
  11. Sharaway

    Sharaway Guest

    It is mate, I am fully against "thinning" it causes more trauma and injury than is humane, where as if you do the job right and cull them ALL out then you dont have to repeat the process, there are NO injured horses left because you ensure that all horses are killed. This also works for goats, and buffalo.

    Take away the access to water and nothing will survive for long.

    Trap and cull at the water sources, less need for running the stock and injuring the stock before it can be humanely killed.

    Its not a nice subject, and I am so over people trying to save these horses because they are horses when they have no idea of what is involved in the process to just get these wild horses into yards, and the process to handle them is not a nice one either in some cases.

    I know because I have been involve first hand on the ground, I have seen the valiant efforts of Watkins and others to rescue station surplus and give them a new life, but the few success stories dont give justification to saving every last one of them.

    I have a standing argument with one of these groups, yes they went all out and save several horses and found homes for them all, but what about the rest of them......ohh we have done our the pathetic answer, sorry but you have made the problem worse not better, by saving a few you just make it harder for the authorities to cull of the rest, because you create the ignorant impression that they all can and should be saved.

    And the truth of the round up and the many sever injuries to the remnants of the herd where covered up.
    All for the GOOD publicity of being seen as good people out saving the wild horses… bad about the stunning young colt that smashed its leg and to bad that it took several hours before it could be shot, to bad about the foal that broke its neck, to bad about the other countless injuries.

    Collateral damage, its all OK because you saved a few.

    It’s a sodden load of horse manure, and if people new the truth you would be all be making donations to buy ammo and fuel for the choppers!!
  12. LuvXC

    LuvXC New Member

    This is one subject that really upsets me :(
    Im one of those ppl who wishes they could all go to nice homes but i do know thats never going to happen. Its just sad that they have to be culled when they didnt exactly ask to be born!
    I remember the Watkins having those brumbies a couple of yrs ago.
    Its just soooooo sad :(
    I lived in Newman last yr and kept my eyes peeled for brumbies but didnt end up seein any. They hang around the town's horse yards sometimes apparently. If we'd stayed up there i would definately have looked into obtaining a couple. But thats the thing- can't save them all (as much as i'd love to)
  13. WHH

    WHH New Member

    I just came in from setting up yards with Fred for some brumby foals we are getting tonight. So I've been reading with interest.....

    I just wanted to clarify that, while Fred and I do alot of work with wild horses now for the Outback Heritage Horse Society of W.A., we were in no way involved with the first brumby rescue with the WATSONS in Margaret River. Alot of people get us confused with them so I just wanted to say that we had absolutely nothing to do with the Earaheedy horses that were at the Watsons place a few years ago.
  14. Sharaway

    Sharaway Guest

    lol Rach, prob shocks you hearing me say KILL EM all lol. But you guys have seen the sad and sorry state of some of these herds, thats the real cruelty.

    And NONE of what I have said refers to you guys or what you are doing in any way.

    I can only refer to what I have seen first hand in the past. Not all that distant past and things have not changed for the Brumbies they have just gotten worse.
  15. WHH

    WHH New Member

    No, I actually agree with you on alot of what you say. I also feel we have a long way to go with the culling methods being carried out in some parts of Australia. I was looking at some truly shocking photos last night of dead and dying horses that were trapped when the water sources were cut off on some stations a few years ago to control numbers. And also some photos of the wounds some of the horses up North died from in that recent aerial cull up north. And I mean died from days later. Effective but just shocking.

    However, Fred and I like and very much support what the OHHSWA are doing in trying to preserve some of these truly old bloodline heritage horses, as I believe they are a very important part of our history. The Society is also involved alot with trying to change rules and enforce more humane culling methods, where culling is necessary, and with trying to police and ban aerial culling where horses are wounded and there is no back up ground crew.

    I guess we come in as very practical help when horses have been brought down off these stations. Kind of like the people that work at the Cat Haven! Yes, it's not fixing the problem, but atleast it's giving actual animals a chance at a life.

    And on a personal note, some of the wildies we have worked with over the years would rival some of the most expensive amazing domestically bred horses we have had come to us. Movement, temperament, beauty, athleticism, attitude. You name it.....infact look out or I may start posting photos!!
  16. Sharaway

    Sharaway Guest

    pmsl, he some of our brumbies have been been exported to the Arabs as endurance horses recently to.

    But the quality of the brumbie varies so greatly, and you cant put up a photo of a ripper brumby as the poster child for the rest of the pet meat that roams wild.

    lol at Cat Haven **)

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